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Old 06-26-2006, 10:48 AM
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Hot Rod Magazine Rant

I have to get this off of my chest.

I just recently received my August (hmm, I thought it was still June, but whatever?) issue of Hot Rod magazine and read the cover page story about some guy who has been hoarding away Muscle car history. This guy has pruchased what some may consider the cream of the Chevrolet crop and hide it away in 40 foot trailers on his property. Items like a Yenko Camaro, LS6 Chevelles, Early gen FI Corvettes. But that's not all. He would get the High Performance mills out of vintage muscle cars and hide that stuff away as well. Items like FI setups from Early Chevy's, 427 engines and the like.

I understand this guys desire to have these items to help preserve Chevy's history and all, but burying them away in several trailers and hiding them from the world to me seems a little like the Scrooge thing.

What bothers me most is the way that Hot Rod Magazine acts like this is a good thing. Like hiding away the precious Muscle cars of our past in trailers in our back yards is what we should do.

My stand on this is the same as Bernie and Krass. I say "find 'um and free 'um"

The Cars were meant to be driven, and driven hard. That's why Chevy built them with Big Blocks, 12 bolt rears, and Rock crusher transmissions.

Find 'um and free'um boys before some collector comes along and sticks them in a trailer somewhere.

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Old 06-26-2006, 11:03 AM
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Hey James, I think you are looking at this in the wrong light... I read the article and was appreciative of the guys efforts. Even though we have no idea of his actual intentions I appreciate the fact that he did what he did because, if he hadn't, where would those cars and parts be today? Probably in the next door neighbors Nissan or Honda....
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I don't see what the big rant is all about. He bought them, they were his and he can do whatever he wants with them. If they are so precious to you and you want to apply them to some other purpose, fork out the cash and they're yours.
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Old 06-26-2006, 12:16 PM
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Hey James, I think you are looking at this in the wrong light... I read the article and was appreciative of the guys efforts. Even though we have no idea of his actual intentions I appreciate the fact that he did what he did because, if he hadn't, where would those cars and parts be today? Probably in the next door neighbors Nissan or Honda....
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Old 06-26-2006, 01:22 PM
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That's a rather impressive collection of parts that are now being freed and can now be used on cars that deserve these parts. Now granted that the LS6 Chevelles and the Yenko Camaro will probably wind up in a museum type environment, but at least they can now appreciated and not lost in a time capsule like they were for who knows how many years. It takes someone with some real balls that most collectors don't have to go out and drive these things like they were meant to be driven. If any of those cars were mine, they would see the street often and would be to the track as often as I could get them there. No trailers here. They were meant to be driven hard.
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Old 06-26-2006, 02:08 PM
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I really love these types of arguments. Person who doesn't have something offers his opinion on what the person that does have the goods should and should not do with his property. Poses the question trying to drum up popular support for his opinion, reasonable or not. This is exactly the same philosophy that the 'tree-huggers' use to legislate what one can and cannot do with the property and land one already owns, perhaps for generations.

Perhaps this fellow had in mind preserving an investment, certainly something that would appreciate in value. I like that idea, and apparently so do many of the bidders in auctions such as the Barrett-Jackson series. Many of these vehicles are not seen again until perhaps the winning bidder decides to put them up for auction again, with a very good chance of getting a good return on his investment in the process. This guy may be doing exactly that, without the commissions LOL! If he is the voluntary subject of a magazine article, sounds like he is about to start the process of either cashing in or is working on increasing the value of his investment. Sly like a fox.

There is no shortage of muscle cars - only a shortage of the money that it takes to acquire them and their parts. Anybody can go out and buy all they want at the going price. The market determines the value. As the OWNER, find them and drive them if that's what you want to do - or store and preserve them for decades if that's your bag. If you want to do both, then buy one to drive and buy another to store away. However, if one can't afford the going price or doesn't have the skills to build or fabricate a muscle car, then they don't get to tell the person who does have the resources what they can do with them. Harsh, but that's the nature of the hobby at the upper levels.

I'd like to think that these will be appreciated 50 years from now, and the fellow that has them in his trailer or people like him have a better chance of making that happen.
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Old 06-26-2006, 02:12 PM
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Yeah, they were meant to be driven hard...... 40 years ago. You know why there are precious few left? Because we all went out and flogged them as hard as we could, wrecked them, lost friends in them, and puked parts all over the road from beating them to the hairy edge. Now is the time too drive them gently, and keep them as original as possible, (the rare stuff that is)

You want to collect tickets, eat tires etc. build a clone. A 6 cylinder Camaro beefed up with discs, better springs bushings shocks, etc. with a crate 454 or 383 will out perform and out handle the rare first generation big blocks, and if you wreck it or break something, no big deal. Keep the real rare cars as original as possible, drive them once in a while, and show them off as much as you can. You want to go hog wild? build a clone and have at it. This world needs more cherry red Camaros and Chevelles, blue and white Mustangs, and orange/purple and lime green Mopars.
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I figure they are his to do with as he wants to, as long as he does no harm to others. I would not want someone telling me what I should do with my cars. Or anything else for that matter.
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What upset me is that I did not get a chance to get any of them.
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yepppp its one heck of a collection that guy had, BUT this is old news in a sense. i read about it back in Nov of last year over on (yes i'm going to say it) HAMB and if u feel the need to look at some pics of all those cars there are a couple of posts that have some pictures of all that GOOD stuff & HERE. from what i have read what cars the 1st buyer paid well over $1million for everything .......joe
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Old 06-26-2006, 04:48 PM
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Well I guess I've been looking at this all wrong.......Maybe I should just be glad these treasures are still around.

Also, I'm not trying to tell anybody what to do with their stuff. If you buy it, it's yours....

I'm just looking at it from the standpoint of someone that admires these Classic works of American History. If you're not going to drive it, at least show it. But don't cubbyhole it away from the world...

But as you guys have said. It's his stuff, and he can do whatever he wants with it..... I guess I'm just jealous...
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Old 06-26-2006, 05:00 PM
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I know of 2 other collections that are still incogneto.... One multi brand, one Ford.... trailer loads...
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Thats the guy from here in Green Bay right that died and the collection was sold? What amazed me is I never heard any stories floating around about these trailers living in the green bay area all my life. Anyways, that was the guys life the way it sounds. Never was married, lived in a small shack of a house. He began collecting parts and many he bought for others, but started keeping them when someone screwed him over and his corvette got keyed by someone if I remember the story right. The engines he got a lot of them by swapping out small blocks in big block cars during the gas crisis in the 70's. But what does he really have to show for it now. His family got a million for the collection, but it was worth much more. It probably is what gave him enjoyment, finding and buying cars and parts, but he didn't get money out of it, and if he did, you can't take it to your grave when you die. depereauto.com is the place that originally bought the collection and resold it. Must of been like a kid on christmas cracking open them trailers for the first time. Least parts are available that you may not have been able to find before, if you have a fat wallet that is. I know I'll never be able to afford those type of cars anyways with the price of musclecars today. Only 15 years ago musclecars were plentiful and affordable. Now even a rusted out hulk from that era that is not even a popular car they want a good chunk of change for.Too bad I didn't buy the cherry 67 camaro convert I looked at priced at 3 grand in the late 80's, or a few of the novas I looked at.
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there was a thread about it here at the hrbb too back in december
Some people have all the luck!

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I know of 2 other collections that are still incogneto.... One multi brand, one Ford.... trailer loads...
So X, when are you gonna open the doors on them?J/K
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Heck, I'd set up a museum and charge $2 per person for a tour of the place, and have a cruise night (complete with burnout contest for the crazier bunch) in the parking lot. When money provides, set up an ice cream joint on the property to attract the masses in their jellybean shaped transportation modules so they can see what real cars were.
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