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Cool stuff! Hope it pans out!

Torch or sawzall either way. Lots of cutting in your future!

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Joe got me thinking know...dangerous..

A rear wheel drive 92 Toronado sitting on Corvette sub frames with a Mustang eating 4.6 Northstar under the hood....
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When you said Toronado I thought cool and this image popped into my mind:


Then I looked at the post again and saw '92:


If I was going to go to all that effort, I think I'd start with something a little less "generic plastic mobile", but I applaud your enthusiasm nonetheless.
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That's it, except my headlight covers still work.

Main reason for the insanity is old age, followed closely by it being my Dads last car. He was an Olds guy as long as I can remember.

One of my first Memories is of sitting next to Him in his car singing along to oldies on AM radio, badly and at the top of our lungs. It was a big Olds he used to street race on weekends.

One of my Last is of driving Him to a Doctors appointment just a day before he passed in the 92. After lifting him from his wheelchair into the seat he told me "You can go faster, it's your car now drive it like ya stole it!"

If not for this the car would have been sold long ago when it was still like new and a few offered me way more than it was worth.

Now its a matter of doing something Dad would be proud of. I know he would, He told me so last night when I was sitting in that Drivers seat again thinking about what I was about to undertake.
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I put a '49 Merc body on a '69 Buick Skylark frame, floorpan and firewall assembly. It really worked out well and I believe you can do this IF you are repaired to weld and grind about a 100 feet of welds. It is really time consuming but definitely do-able

Good luck.....We need pictures.

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this guy did something like yours
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Very cool!

Found a C3 vette in ruff shape and missing the tranny for $1,200..going to check measurements and if it works picking it up tomorrow afternoon.

Still unsure on engine selection.

Will post picks as soon as we get started.
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A C-3 is different.It has an independent diff,but the transverse leaf does not allow true independent suspension travel.Not all C-3s allow true dual exhaust,check transmission X member for 2 holes. Check the calipers,original GM calipers were a problem. short wheel base,might work well
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Thanks for that!

Toro has 4 wheel disc can use them but probably same low quality stuff.

Go fast cars need stop fast brakes.

Toro wheelbase = 108" Worried about width on Vette as well.

May pick it up if I can talk Him down some even if it won't work. I'll take it apart and haul to the swap meet in November..Add a few bucks to the project fund.

Like the Aurora platform idea as well. Since it replaced the Toro I would think dimension are close. Good to have options.

Spoke with a friend in Arizona last night about the Northstar...said he put a few with twin turbo setups in some sand cars...smoked the tires at 800HP on wheel Dyno so never got a true reading. Guess who's building my engine...Yeah baby!

Haven't had the boys this excited in a long time. Going to be a fun project no matter how we do it.
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looking at specs online..not nearly wide enough. Swap meet fund raiser if anything.

C6 only thing close..going to do that may as well have something custom built.

Aurora investigation under way

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I've thought this would be a great project from the beginning and when Joe suggested the Northstar...well, I think that is just way cool. The Northstar is a bit of a finicky engine and has had it's problems with Head gasket issues and the like...but, I will find that site with a lot of information on hot rodding the Northstar and with what your buddy has to offer....it will be a blast.

There are several years that are more desireable than others...apparently the 93 and 94 have some inherent problems if I'm correct. As I mentioned earlier I have a Northstar 4.6 in an Eldorado ETC (Touring Cupe...more HP but the ECS has more torque)...when I first got it...the Wife thought it was a boat...now I can't pry it out of her hands...she's become a Civic eating machine....(My Wife more so than the car...LOL)

Love the project and keep all of us up to date.

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Thank you all for the words of encouragement input, and sharing of knowledge.

Glad to have found this forum. Will start a project journal for sure once we decide on something and get moving.

The thrill of the chase is on!
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There were plenty of front drivers back in the early 90s that were made into "pro street" cars. LOTS of berettas, and the occasional Chevy Celebrity/ Olds 88 etc; and the Dodge Daytona. Is a Fox Body Fairmont the same general size? When in doubt, just make a basic ladder frame and grab a Mustang II front suspension. There are others. Rear Suspension could be almost anything. Id suggest coils to leaves; and a 3 or 4 link.

Before you get to hacking, look into the emissions, registration and insurance. In some states, you better have impeccable records, including vin numbers for the vehicles you crib used parts from.

You may find that swapping in a front drive SC 3.8L V6 and throwing boost/nitrous at it
OR, you could go avant garde and get an Ecotec turbo 4 banger and make absolutely silly HP.
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Lots of conversation and thought going on about this one. Much like here it ranges from Why..to Lets try it!

Have a friend at the DMV checking to see how it would be handled.
Just building a custom frame is one option that I'm looking at.

Have a 3.8 V6 in it now..may look at using it. Want something fun but dependable, know you can't have it all.

The GM metric cars seem to be the best fit. Monte Carlos, Cutlass, Regals etc.

Wheelbase is the same at 108". Width is closer than anything else.

Looking at C3 and 4s they are about 10" off on width.

The old Monte Carlo SS is the front runner so far for a donor car. Thoughts are that it was set up for the big V8 already.

Appreciate all the input and ideas here..keep em coming as each one adds to the conversation. No telling yet what I'll wind up with. It'll be unique, that's for sure!
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Even though they are very cool, I can't honestly recommend the Northstar engine. I've built two different cars using them. one was a IMSA bodied Fiero (mid/rear engine) with a 98 4.6 Northstar and (Fiero) 5 speed. the other, which I still own, is a 23 T bucket. the T bucket has a 99 4.6 with my own design itb injection, and T-5 5 speed. the N* bolts up to the GM 2.8 V-6 style bellhousing by fabing one offset mounting bolt (easy), and requires a re-drilled or full custom flywheel. the PITA part of the N* is the electronics. Stock ecms are totally useless for engine swaps due to the way they have the diagnostics built into the intrament cluster, and the fact that no-one has hacked them to do away with pollution controls etc. my Fiero used a modified 7730 GM ECM and ran well, but this limits you to pretty much stock engine parameters. my bucket T has a Holley HP computer system set up by CHRfab (linked earlier) and does allow for more engine mods, but it's going to be a self taught tuning program for you, as help is not gona come your way easily for this project.
The N* is a very cool engine in many ways, but I'll never do another one due to the numerous headaches involved. if you decide to use one anyway, pm me and I'll try and guide you through some of the hurdles I jumped through to make one work outside of it's native environment.
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