I have a block that is .30 over. I would like to use this - how far can you go without imposing any probllems. I know you can go as far as 60 but many machinists want an unhoned block to work with. If I use this .30 over block, what am I up against?????
12-21-2004 10:44 AM
Depends largely the amount of power you ant to make. .060 is safe for most mild street stuff. You need walls that sonic at .150 or better.
12-21-2004 10:45 AM
want to make around 450hp, 450tq
12-21-2004 10:45 AM
what your up against is what shape is the bore now in? the machinist should be able to tell you. Most small block`s can go over safely to .060 over, but if you plan on going over more it would be wise to have it sonic checked. Last I hear .080 over has become common practice, but I`d recommend sonic checking first.
Don`t have your block bored more than needed, as boring it bigger doesn`t help power output much.
12-21-2004 11:15 AM
if you desire big stroke is the way to go. they make cranks up to a 454 sbc
12-21-2004 11:39 AM
If it was me, I'd go .040, if possible. Then you have the option of going .060, if you wear it out, or break something.
12-21-2004 11:59 AM
My question is - do the walls get too thin when you exceed .30? I know you can go to .60 but COULD you pose a problem if you got .40?
12-21-2004 12:14 PM
Originally posted by DoubleVision Most small block`s can go over safely to .060 over, but if you plan on going over more it would be wise to have it sonic checked.
12-21-2004 12:17 PM
Originally posted by TCAMARO My question is - do the walls get too thin when you exceed .30? I know you can go to .60 but COULD you pose a problem if you got .40?
you can go to 0.60 whit no problem..
but you can get a 450HP 350sbc whitout trouble at .30...
12-21-2004 12:24 PM
boring doesn't make power and it only yields a few extra cubes. Its not worth the effort or cost. The only time boring is worthwhile (of course) is when the bores are in need of it, and then only enough to clean them up. Why go more than you have to? All its going to do is cost you money in the long run when you're trying to rebuild the thing again and find out you need a new block this time.
12-21-2004 12:32 PM
I have no iontentions of making the bore as big as I can. The reason for my concern is that I have a .30 block handy for a 383 build project. When I had told my machinest of what I have he was not exactly happy about it. He said that if he has to, depending on the condition of the cylineder walls he may have to push it to .60. Even though you can go to .60 he said he does not like to do that - he takes a conservative approach. Sooo i was wondering is he being overly conservative or not!?!?
12-21-2004 01:46 PM
They would'nt be making and selling 0.060" oversized pistons if block weakening was a major issue. Your machinist probably has easy and cheap access to virgin blocks thru his contacts for when he needs one, and therefore could not understand why someone would want to go 60 thou over. I guess because it's because you're not made of money right? It's also probably an ethical issue for machinists and he's probably just protecting his own reputation. If you're really worried you can always pour block hardening compound into the water jackets. The piston manufacturers would have feed back records on going 0.60" over and you can always give them a call for a different point of view.
Being in the trade you soon predict the verdicts when you send something out. Every time we sent radiators to specialists for a flush we get a reply that the cores have cancer and require a recore. But after they patch up the old cores due to the customers lack of funds the radiators miraculously go on to out last the car! The world's full of drama queens.
12-21-2004 02:13 PM
One thing we haven't discussed is core shift. If yours is way out then your machinist may have cause to balk.
12-21-2004 03:13 PM
That was one of the things that he had mentioned - he said IF thats is the case it could make things more difficult.
12-21-2004 03:15 PM
Nobody hear can answer that question. You need to load the block in question up and take it to the machine shop. He can check the block out and tell you if it's any good. If it is at .030 now, the next step would be .040 and the .060. He will be able to tell how much is needed when he checks the block out.
I have a .060 overbore in my blown 388ci SBC no problems yet. I rana .040 over 385 for years no problem. It all depends on the block you have. Since they are cast and some have core shift, not all blocks are created equal. If you have a good casting going .040 or .060 over is not an issue.