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Old 08-20-2008, 11:13 PM
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A couple of questionable numbers jump out at me:
Try Motor Trend's test of the 1965 421 Catalina.
0-60 in 3.9 seconds. STOCK.


I would sure love to see that replicated. LOL
The specs for the car were in the mag, It wasn't steep gears or light weight, it was just "somehow".... QUICKER than every other car of the same specs...

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Interesting link to the fifty fastest. A couple of questionable numbers jump out at me:

7. 1964 Polara 500 13.70@107.37 426 4V 365 four-speed 3.23 HC 2/64 - No way a stock 3.23 geared 365hp 4000# car turned this time/speed, but then, Hi-Performance Cars isn't the most authoritative mag, either.

45. 1970 Olds 4-4-2 W-30 13.88@95.84 455 W-30 370 automatic 3.42 CC 11/69 - Again, the ET is way low for a 3.42 geared car with only a 95 MPH top end. Like to see how Car Craft explained it.

thnx, jack vines
yeah...I agree there are some numbers that seem kinda odd in there but all in all it's a neat list in my opinion but actually according to TCI's 1/4 mile ETA calculator a 4500 lb car with 365 hp should be good for a 13.36@ 101.3 MPH 1/4...which brings up the question, how accurate can one consider TCI's calculators to be? but yeah, for the most part the average musclecar was not a top engine rig, most woulda had a basic low performance small block...they're cool looking cars but you gotta remember they were cool looking CHEAP cars that had monster engines as an option it took a while for them to become anything really special...kinda like 3rd generation F-bodies, they were cheap when new, they still are cheap, theres a lot of them and they look fast but most have V6's in them and can't even hope to go as fast as they look like they should...

and mopar guy, I also found a source claiming Car and Driver got a 0-60 time of 3.9 seconds for the '65 catalina as well so whatever that may be worth I dunno...seems sketchy to me too, especially considering a 1963 model catalina with a higher output 421 was good for a 13.70 1/4 mile did a 0-60 time of 5 seconds

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In the spring of 1969 I was working the oil change rack at the local Chevy dealership. I was driving a 1963 Impala SS 327 4 speed. I bought the first 69 Chevelle SS 396 that came into that dealership. It was a 325hp car, 4-speed 3.55 open rear. The car would get beat by just about anything on the street that could get traction. The 325 hp 396 lost a piston one night when a spring broke and dropped the valve.

Being they had 50000 mile/5 year warranties then I talked the owner of the dealership into letting me put a 375hp 396 back into it. At the time Fred Gibb was getting in 396/375 hp novas and camaros, taking the 396/375 out and putting 427 short blocks under the closed chamber heads and selling them all over central IL. I got one of the short block 396/375s for my Chevelle, found a dealer that had a set of "hi-perf" heads and ended up with a 396/375hp engine in the Chevelle. I ended up putting a posi trac in it, but traction was always a major problem.

The 396/375 would foul a set of plugs in one night of cruising, you had to take it out on the highway to blow the cobs out. Ignition systems were point type and most of the old muscle cars ran around in various states of needing a tune-up.

The 396/375 put out tons of torque and power, but it was hard to utilize on the street with the tires we had. We still raced the tires off every friday and Saturday nights. It pretty much kept me broke buying parts and gas, etc.

For $5 you could get enough gas and Marboros to cruise all night, including a few blasts out on the highway to clean her out. Ethel was $.32/gal.

I paid $3250 for the car.

Today is truly the good ol days as the performance parts are so far supperior than in the 60-70s, and plentiful and cheap. Ignitions sytems are so much better, and when you get into fuel injection and computer control, well there really isn't much to campare with the old cars. Just look at the ZO6 Corvette. 25 miles per gallion, 200 miles per hour, and idles pretty damn smooth. There was nothing in "the day" that would compare.

Yeah, I still love the old muscle cars of back in the day, but I'm sure enjoying all this new technology. I think it may be short lived the way things are looking with the oil prices and alternative means of propulsion being considered.

I know this was long and some of it a bit off topic, but I think some will remember some fond memories.
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and mopar guy, I also found a source claiming Car and Driver got a 0-60 time of 3.9 seconds for the '65 catalina as well so whatever that may be worth I dunno...seems sketchy to me too, especially considering a 1963 model catalina with a higher output 421 was good for a 13.70 1/4 mile did a 0-60 time of 5 seconds
Oh, it coulda easily been Car and Driver, I'm gettin old... LOL
It was just the one test for sure, I used to have the magazine but it's vanished over the years..... I remember the car being "4555 pounds" with a 3.36 rear gear. Not sure if that's my memory or "facts" either though....
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Maybe go back a little farther. In 57 or 58 one of the older guys had a 35 Ford flathead. I think it was a 296 cu in. About as far as you could go with a flathead. 3 carbs, alum heads etc. It ran 105 or so and in the high 13's. It was a pretty good killer but a maintenance nightmare. I saw him totally disintegrate a '39 transmission right in front of the neighbors house. what a mess. A 58 Vette 4 spd gave him a good run.

Funny thing is that a year later my best friend did the same thing including the rear end in a 39Ford with a 54 Olds motor.

a 53 Ford with a 55 Olds 4 carbs and 4.10 gears ran mid 14 s and 95 in 1960. Pretty much the local killer. A 60 Pont 4 spd was a heck of a race.

One of our carclub members had a 61 Pont Bonnevile tripower 4 spd 3.90 ran 15.30 and 96 bone stock thru the mufflers.

The Pont were really good off the line as they all had huge rear overhang and you could slide the spare tire way back for even more.
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Most were in the mid 12's from the factory. One of the hot rod shows did a episode on this not to long ago. I have a bunch of old hotrod mags from the 60's and 70's and the tested specs on most were mid 12 range. I had a bone stock 70 Hemi Road Runner that went 12.2 at the track consistently.

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Oh, it coulda easily been Car and Driver, I'm gettin old... LOL
It was just the one test for sure, I used to have the magazine but it's vanished over the years..... I remember the car being "4555 pounds" with a 3.36 rear gear. Not sure if that's my memory or "facts" either though....
ah well, maybe so...regardless a 3.9 0-60 time from a stock 1965 catalina doesnt sound quite right to me either...
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In 1968 I bought a 66 GTO..Royal Pontiac modified... I ran it many times on the street where it was quite the beast. Even with the 421 HO tri-carb ram air..headers..4.11 gears I think my best real time was mid/low 13s. The stock 389s were slower certainly..but tires limited these torque monsters.
I dreamed of breaking into 12s..never happened.
Blew the rear end..went 4.56 which made it better as a street racer 'cause we rarely did a real 1/4..especially if you could smoke the other car through mid 3rd gear..

Wheel hop..smoke..howling tires..may slow a car..but it sure was fun..!

All black,,red lines..4 spd..and of course the 421 looked so similar to the 389..

Panty collection in trunk..for better weight distribution of course..
FUN TIMES..not necessarly Fastest times..
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Interesting link to the fifty fastest. A couple of questionable numbers jump out at me:

7. 1964 Polara 500 13.70@107.37 426 4V 365 four-speed 3.23 HC 2/64 - No way a stock 3.23 geared 365hp 4000# car turned this time/speed, but then, Hi-Performance Cars isn't the most authoritative mag, either.

thnx, jack vines
64 Polara 500 B body B/RB block only weighed 3500 pounds. I weighed my Dad's back then. It was real fast from 40-100.
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Ro Mcgonegal commented when testing the '98 Camaro that it ran about the same times as his built C1 (can't remember the exact year) Vette with slicks, headers, and 4:56 rear.

That pretty much puts it into perspective for me.
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