[stich626]

there is a simple answer,, but it cut into wallstreets bottom line..

and @mrproformance.. why is it that t.v.'s/computers/etc are not made here.. regs and slave labor.. that why.. look in the mirror, you'd not work for pennies a day.. but it's ok to make money off their backs..
and we look around and say, "why there no jobs" maybe because being cheap we've put ourselves out of work..
hay look I can't pay my mortage because of no jobs, but look at my mutual funds.. they made bank.. wooopppieeee.. blind,dumb and stupid

[mrperformanceparts]

fantastic post..........about retail and jobs

but somehow there needs to be some control over how far some will push "just to make the sale"

i think a MAP pricing would do some damage to it.... but not eliminate it..
MSD tried it and have brought it back on some of their new boxes.

i know sooner or later the ones that are doing it will eliminate themselves....but it will be later as they continue to make $$$..they arent going anywhere...
and i see a new trick as several sell under multiple store fronts so as one dries up the next ones gaining momentum....

and since you asked me......about the jobs???? we have created a few jobs due to the parts....and we have been buying our electronics from overseas for decades.......would we not expect it to expand?
like stated so many times...it does allow those that cant afford 1500 for a set of heads to have a chance at them...but they need a part that works just the same...is my major concern....american made or otherwise...

face it standing at walmart looking at TV's your looking for the size you want with the features you want for the price that you can afford to pay..i do it 90% do it... very few people are 100% brand loyal and buy based on name alone...
lets cover jobs also...from the shipping companies to the dock workers to the truckers to the distributors to the warehouse workers to the machine workers and machine shops to the retail stores...and ime sure the dozens i didnt touch...ime sure we have lost manufacturing jobs yes.....but we have gained countless others...

dlind dumb stupid??????
whatever......
i think smart, thrifty, and cautious fits better....

[onlyfnway]

If this thread is still going in about a week i will give you some track numbers as a friend of mine just built a 14.1comp 509 ci bbc with pro comp heads. He bought bare heads and then had fully ported with all the good stuff as he calls it.

[mrperformanceparts]

i can also add this
terry card...michigan racer 68 chevelle
best et with merlin iron 345's 10.77@2610 lbs mild built 468
out of box pro comp 320's no other changes 10.39@2540lbs
car has now run after some adjustments(carb etc..) a best of 10.28

[stich626]

Originally Posted by mrperformanceparts

i can also add this
terry card...michigan racer 68 chevelle
best et with merlin iron 345's 10.77@2610 lbs mild built 468
out of box pro comp 320's no other changes 10.39@2540lbs
car has now run after some adjustments(carb etc..) a best of 10.28

what valve sizes, what cc heads,
one was iron ones not..

one is known to drop seats, ones not..

one took 100lb off the car, and more inportantly, the nose..

apples to apples please...

sad that americans piss on the graves of vets that fought the commies so you could be free,
they are gonna win without firen a shot,,

[mrperformanceparts]

its taken jobs its added jobs.....
any head can drop a seat/valve..if not built right...
thats why i posted the weights wanted to put that info in my post
230/188 on the IRON merlins
225/188 on the PC ALUMINUM heads
119cc on the merlins
117cc on the pc heads

i kinda gave you apples to apples didnt i when i posted the weights.....
rest of the basic info is fairly common knowledge.....
i even gave you port runners
and its 70 lbs

isnt anyone pissing on anything........maybe you should take that communist computer and throw it away????? why have standards that accomplish only based on your needs and desires?????

[stich626]

Originally Posted by mrperformanceparts

its taken jobs its added jobs.....
any head can drop a seat/valve..if not built right...
thats why i posted the weights wanted to put that info in my post
230/188 on the IRON merlins
225/188 on the PC ALUMINUM heads
119cc on the merlins
117cc on the pc heads

i kinda gave you apples to apples didnt i when i posted the weights.....
rest of the basic info is fairly common knowledge.....
i even gave you port runners
and its 70 lbs

isnt anyone pissing on anything........maybe you should take that communist computer and throw it away????? why have standards that accomplish only based on your needs and desires?????

my computer was made here,, nice try tho..

[cobalt327]

"Made" as in "assembled". Components aren't all US, I'll bet.

[stich626]

Originally Posted by cobalt327

"Made" as in "assembled". Components aren't all US, I'll bet.

nope, all here, from the vo tec h/s if a school can do it. co can vendors

[mrperformanceparts]

Originally Posted by stich626

nope, all here, from the vo tec h/s if a school can do it. co can vendors

holy crap i have heard it now.....and your tv was made by nasa right????

all those parts on the boards....your monitor????? disk drives??????

chipsets?????? yeah all made right here......
exactly "made in" has a wide area to live in.....lets just roll back and read the comment about valves posted earlier......
your computer was assembled here.......nice try also....just so you know my computer was assembled here also.....but ime very aware of where the parts came from......

i would love nothing more then for you to have a valid point stich626.... thats 100% honesty not sarcasm....
personal feelings are what makes us a great nation and our ability to express them.....but if your going to put it out there in the open as fact based and not personal....expect reponces.

[cobalt327]

What's the name of the school? I honestly believe I could get media attention for them for pulling that off.

[Michaelelcano]

Please I'm begging you give me the brand of the parts in your computer so I can make you look like a complete and udder fool.

[cobalt327]

Originally Posted by Michaelelcano

Please I'm begging you give me the brand of the parts in your computer so I can make you look like a complete and udder fool.

Moooo. Sorry, couldn't resist.

But seriously, this is always what happens whenever off shore parts are being talked about. Same thing every time.

[mrperformanceparts]

100% honesty

heads are crap out of the box.....
and not doing even an ounce of proper assembly
add in junk parts....
and they can be the worst thing since god know what......


there are some out there that are trying to find middle ground for the consumer to allow joe public to reach levels out there and have things that not long ago wouldnt have been dreamed of.... heck i can remember not so long ago how excited i was when we put our first set of heads that werent already sold into inventory!!!!!!!!! now we stock more then 200 castings at any given time... many have a valid complaint about these heads....thats why i say ask question do research and be informed....

stich626 i think you may be the most uninformed i have seen to date

[Michaelelcano]

Originally Posted by cobalt327

Moooo. Sorry, couldn't resist.

But seriously, this is always what happens whenever off shore parts are being talked about. Same thing every time.

Dammit i guess that's what i get for typing on my evil American designed Chinese made iPhone. Damn you Steve jobs for designing an amazing piece of technology, giving the Chinese pennies to make them, and then selling them to the rest of the world making billions and bringing that money back to the U.S. I hope he rots in Chinese hell where he receives the finest knockoffs china has to offer. Oh wait that's the u.s.
Have fun deciphering my sarcasm. I wanted to keep this post to the level this thread has offered.