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Old 01-04-2007, 08:10 PM
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Haha...pretty sad

This guy seems to be more worried about selling this to someone so they can "put your body on it and sell it for 12000" instead...of being an actual "Hot Rodder" like he claims in his Q&A.

I hate to see even the most inexpensive, and most "basic" sect of the hobby whored out like this.

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5 days into the listing and not one bid!
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I hate the term "Ratrod". Now anything that is flat black and three steps from the crusher is termed a ratrod. I hate to say but that 1990 Honda Civic, rattlecanned flat black, with a Folgers coffee can on the exhaust, and red wheels is not a ratrod. It is a POS. Type in ratrod on e-bay and you get everything from real decent restorables to dump trucks.
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Gabriel, as someone pointed out, a "hot rod" can be anything -- even a Dodge Neon or a Honda Civic. If you want a TRADITIONAL rod, well, 30's cars aren't considered junk that nobody wants anymore, as they were as late as the early 70s. The mid 70s is about when collector car interest really started picking up on everything. In the 50s and 60s someone interested in preserving/restoring old cars were considered a bit on the odd/eccentric side, and those who modified them for driving, even when improving performance, either really odd or to cheap to buy new. Those were the days when it was common to at least get a newer used car every 2-5 years.

Sounds like you don't know much about working on cars right now. So what I'd recommend as the best course of action is to skip the "rat rod" craze for a few years. They will still be around then, and most of the fad craze might be over, leaving a lot of cars for the "true believers" (kind of like what happened to the Pro-Street craze after the mid 90s).

Find an older car you like, then get a Haynes or Chilton's manual for it. Haynes seems to be the best for the newbie -- they quickly tell you what's best handled by a pro and you should leave it alone, but if there's a relatively easy test procedure they'll ooutline it for you. Don't worry whether it's EFI or cabred. You'll learn a lot with either. An older model Japanese car is just as good as an American car. you might want to use Google and see how many speed parts are made for it before buying though, or how many sites outline mods you're interested in.

Don't overlook "underappreciated" cars -- 50s and 60s Ramblers, Studebakers, even some Chevys and Fords. 46-54 Chevys are still out there reasonably priced, but fords in those eras are more popular. Remember -- more popular = MORE EXPENSIVE for initial purchase. Might be more parts available, but you're talking about hot rodding -- part of that is making things work that weren't necessarilly intended for your vehicle in a SAFE manner. That takes using your head and developing skills, not necessarily spending a lot of money. There are "REAL" hot rodders and there are "CHECKBOOK RODDERS" (or "credit card rodders", take your pick!). Which do you want to be?

A "classic" example of using an under appreciated car is my 63 Rambler Classic wagon (see my photo album). Flamed four-door wagon, 4.6L fuel injected in-line six, manually controlled electronic auto trans, Jaguar rear axle, Ford T-bird rack and pinion steering, Ford Ranger brake booster and master cylinder, Eagle Premier six way power front seats, rear seat, and console, factory AC unit in the dash coupled to a modern compressor and condensor, and lots of other little mods. All the above required some amount of fabrication and ingenuity to make work properly and safely. I found 80% of the info I needed on the Internet. You can find a lot more now!

There's nothing wrong with four doors, especially for a first learning car. Fewer people want them, so they are much cheaper (except in rare cases like the 56-57 Chevy -- two doors are so expensive that people are settling for four doors, driving demand for them up too). It may not be as cool looking as a two door, but it's a lot easier to take friends with you! I had a little four door wagon in high school (graduated in 1980!). Very NOT COOL back then to most, but I liked it anyway! The cool part was if more than two of us wanted to go anywhere everyone preferred to go in my car so they didn't have to climb in and out of the back seat. If it was cold out and we were sitting in the school parking lot, everyone piled in my car to sit a while because it was easier. So it can be cool to have a "more-door".
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Farna has lots of good advice (above) that applies to ALL young people getting into the hobby. It's no sin to work your way into hot rodding by starting out with a perfectly respectable grocery getter and then honing your skills (and your tool collection) as you make step by step alterations and improvements to the body and drivetrain. Don't get in over you head financially or technically. That is EXACTLY the hot rod tradition. Those "rats" you see today are the "grocery getters" of the 1940's and 50's...the cheap, available "clay" that early hot rodders began to modify and make their own.
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Beat up rat rod.

There you go. You already have a body. Look for a frame. Maybe a S-10 with a v6 4 speed. i just missed one running for $500. I have a dodge d50 with a nice frame and suspension that i paid 600 and ran it for 3 years, now it is potential. Hope you have as much fun with old iron as I have had since HS days.
A rat rod is a pile of junk that an artist has turned into a (safe) drivable custom vehicle. Beauty is in the eye of the owner.
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Gabriel (the starter of this thread) hasn't been on the site since last year. This is the second thread s/he has started and then dropped. One back in August just before school started up:

Buying this car....

and this one just before school started up. Maybe s/he went back to Poland or never left? Wonder why?
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Haha...pretty sad

This guy seems to be more worried about selling this to someone so they can "put your body on it and sell it for 12000" instead...of being an actual "Hot Rodder" like he claims in his Q&A.

I hate to see even the most inexpensive, and most "basic" sect of the hobby whored out like this.
Stuff like this sets every good hot rodder back to the stone age. It must take a lot of balls to trailer something like that around and twice as much to say it's for sale as a rat rod. I hope some young kid doesn't fall for it.
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Old 01-05-2007, 08:23 PM
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re: How much for a beat up little ratrod like this?

The so called ratrod is what really started the hotrod craze. As a kid i watched the older kids build there hotrods in this same way. They used whatever part they could find, and when they got it to a certain point that made them happy they drove them, raced them, and just had fun with them. This was true hottrodding at that time. As time has changed so has the hotrod, but dont cut these old rods down. We all have the right to build what we like and what we can afford. Sat nights back then were just as much fun as they are now,because back then we did not cut the other guys car down. I like the rods being built today, and love the thoughts that went into building them, but i also like the rods of yesterday. They will always be a part of hotrodding. And sure some were not to safe, but gosh the rush was still there.There is no one person out there that is the best builder, and no one car that is the best car, and this will never change. So if you want to build a cheap hotrod then go for it, but build it as safe as you can, and then drive it and enjoy what you have created.You will still make new friends.And yes whatch out for the ones you see on e-bay. You can build your own for alot less.

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I'm not cutting anyones car down though...I just hate to see the prices go so high we can't afford to build anything.
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Old 01-06-2007, 11:04 AM
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re: How much for a beat up little ratrod like this?

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I'm not cutting anyones car down though...I just hate to see the prices go so high we can't afford to build anything.

Good Frosty i didnt mean that you were cutting anyone down, i just put that in there because i have seen this done by some rodders at some of the shows i have gone to. So nothing against you ok.
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Oh yeah, I know, just incase anyone thinks i'm criticising these cars...thats still a decent chassis, but I just don't like how the hobby of "Rats" has took a turn from just being slightly beaten on drivers, to like 12000 tractor mutants.
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i know I'm only 27, but i'm sure that the rat rods of today, aren't that different from the original "hot rods." i agree that they have to be safe, but I personally love the "rat rod" look, not so much the prices of rat rods, but I like the look. Rat rods are a way for people who didn't have 40k to spend on a piece of crap that boyd, or foose, or someone else built. yeah those cars look good, but really, w.t.f. are you going to do with a 40-100k hot rod, drive it? at least with a rat rod, you can drive in everyday, and not care if you get a ding in the door, or whatever. hot rodding, hell the whole car hobby, is about what the individual likes, and wants to do to THEIR ride, and it pisses me off when someone doesn't agree with something someone else wants to do to their car, and trashes them about it. Anyway, sorry about the ramble, but just my .2
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i know I'm only 27, but i'm sure that the rat rods of today, aren't that different from the original "hot rods."
Agreed, they are not that much different.........and a lot of them back then were unsafe too, so thats nothing new. What bugs my bum about todays "Rat Rods" if you will, is this 1 inch off the ground crap..........They did not do that back then...........because they knew that it is totally unsafe. Blow a tire at speed and you are screwed........Granted, the tires are better these days, and blow outs are rare, but still......................Use your heads, man.
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I know that they were'nt that low back then, but there also wasn't any companies making lowering kits for them. Didn't they just heat the springs to drop them? I'm sure they would've gone lower, if they could. Personally, there's nothing better than a coupe,or truck, slammed to the ground.....except, maybe old gasser cars (which will be the next fad, just like rat rods are today) It's all about what you as an individual like, and are able to do. To each is his own, what i think is cool, you might not, but in the end, they are still what you make 'em. And it doesn't matter if u blow a tire when your car is 1 inch off the ground, or 10 inches off the ground, c'mon dude!

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