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Hi Ray, The SPI Clear went down super easy! Thank you for recommending that product. When should I begin pulling the tape off? Or do I need to wait until it is completely cured? Thanks as always.
Always welcome and glad to hear that the product went to your satisfaction. I like to wait about 5 hours after clearing if the clear coat hasn't been baked. This allows the clear to set up enough so that your not letting the paper land in wet clear coat and it's still pliable enough so that when you take the tape off, it's not coming off the panel. Just a tip, always pull the tape off at a 45 degree angle away from the painted panel...this leaves a nice edge and less chance of again, taking the clear off the freshly painted panel.

I would still love to see pictures.

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Hi Ray, I started putting pix in an album on my forum page. I will add more post clear soon. How long should I wait before color sanding .? I am in no rush and I am just thrilled to be at this point.
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You should be thrilled at this point and not in a rush....LOL. It should sit a minimum of 24 hours depending on outside temperature and which activator you used. I like to let it sit for 4 or 5 days, just to make sure that it has set up well. When color sanding, be patient, again, use a block and start cutting with 800 wet if you have a significant amount of Orange Peel. If the clear has laid down fairly flat, start with 1,000 grit. Use your squeegee as you did with the primer. This will quickly let you know when the Orange Peel is gone. If you have small areas or specks of shiny clear coat showing after you squeegee a sanded area, it needs more sanding. After the Orange Peel has been removed, step up to 1,500 grit wet paper...on a block making sure that the previous foot print of 1,000 grit has been removed, then 2,000 grit followed by 2,500 grit....then it's time to polish.

If you have any questions, let me know and I'll help where I can.

Now I'm going to look at your pictures.

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WOW, That's a lot of work you've put into that GTO, There is a big transformation...the pictures are a little blurry but what a difference from when you started.

More pictures when you get into color sanding and buffing would awesome.

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This thread is worthless without pics Just kidding but pics are cool
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Thanks Ray! It's been great fun and your tutoring great! After the three grits and then to polish. What are your polishing tips?
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Well, you picked one of the toughest colors to color sand and polish...Black. Your going to need to be extremely patient and take great care in how you cut the clear....if not, every sand scratch will show, if you take your time and be thorough, it's the best looking color after it's polished.

As I mentioned, if you have a fair amount of Orange Peel, start cutting with 800 wet on a block...if the clear laid down fairly flat, you can start with 1,000 grit.

For polishing, I like to polish one panel at a time and I use 3M's Perfect-It" polishing Compounds, Machine polishes and their color coded polishing pads. The Compounds are all different colors. The coarse is a dark Gray, the Machine polish is Cream colored and the Ultrafine is blue...the pads match the color of the polish so you shouldn't be making the mistake of using a coarse polish on a fine pad. I start off with a coarse compound on the coarse foam pad and start to polish one panel at a time, then move to the Machine polish and then the Ultrafine polish...each with their own pad. After I'm done one panel, I mask it up so that the polish spatter from the next panel doesn't land on my freshly polished panel and dry, (you thought that wet sanding dust was a problem...try removing polish spatter...that's a PITA). I do this until the car is done and I don't leave a panel until I'm satisfied.

I don't use a wool pad, in my opinion, they create to much heat and can burn through paint much easier than a foam pad. Get some Micro fiber towels, they're great for that final detailing, they're washable and last a long time.

If you go with the 3M Perfect-it Polishing system, they make a kit that comes complete with all 3 foam pads, all 3 grades of Polish, Micro Fiber Towels, a spray on glaze and a ratchet type of adapter that goes on the end of your polisher so you can use both sides of the foam polishing pad. I can get about 3 to 4 cars polished with one kit.

I hope this helps and I'm sure you will have more questions when you get into it...when you do, let me know and I'll answer them as they come up.

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3M Perfect It BUFFING & POLISHING KIT Pad Compound Foam 39062 39061 39062 5723:Amazon:Everything Else 3M Perfect It BUFFING & POLISHING KIT Pad Compound Foam 39062 39061 39062 5723:Amazon:Everything Else

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No, the compounds are different...try this one, it's the closest to what I use, the only difference is that the pads aren't reversible.

Amazon.com: 3M Perfect It BUFFING & POLISHING KIT Pad Compound Foam 6085 6064 6068 5723 5725: Everything Else Amazon.com: 3M Perfect It BUFFING & POLISHING KIT Pad Compound Foam 6085 6064 6068 5723 5725: Everything Else

It cost a bit more but it's worth it in the long run.

I hope this helps

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No, the compounds are different...try this one, it's the closest to what I use, the only difference is that the pads aren't reversible.

Amazon.com: 3M Perfect It BUFFING & POLISHING KIT Pad Compound Foam 6085 6064 6068 5723 5725: Everything Else

It cost a bit more but it's worth it in the long run.

I hope this helps

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I think the kit he was looking at is the same material. The different part numbers represent pint (16oz) instead of quarts. It is a smaller kit. Let me know if I am wrong.

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Hey John, I tried to get his link to load a few times and it wouldn't load. So I looked at the part numbers and they seemed different...if the part number's are different because of size of compound...then my bad...or maybe it's my computer that's bad LOL...tried again and still can't get it to load.

But thanks John, I appreciate the in put. As long as he finishes fine enough, a quart of each compound, especially the "Ultrafine Machine Polish" will be plenty.

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Shine, who's a veteran pro on this forum (but doesn't post here much anymore) does high-end Corvettes. He likes www.chemicalguys.com and only uses them, has for the last 20 years. Says they have a much better price point than 3M.
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John, I just tried loading the link again, it wouldn't load, so I went to the Amazon site, opened my eyes for a change...and you are 100% right...if I could thank you again by pushing the "thank You" button I would, so I hope you accept this Thank You.

To the OP Dayo5...disregard my post #175, you are right, that is the 3M kit for you to buy...and say Thank You to John Long...He just saved you about $100.

Thanks Again John
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Shine, who's a veteran pro on this forum (but doesn't post here much anymore) does high-end Corvettes. He likes Car Wash, Wax, Polishes, Microfiber Towels and Best Auto Detail Supplies - Chemical Guys Professional Car Care Products - Wholesale and Retail and only uses them, has for the last 20 years. Says they have a much better price point than 3M.
Shine is a well respected member on this site and if he suggest something it's usually good advice. I can't speak for the polish he uses, I can only speak or endorse what I know works for me but, if he says it's a great product, no doubt it is.

Thanks for the response Josh, that's the great thing about this forum, getting different view points on processes and products.

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