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Old 01-02-2009, 02:01 PM
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How to Polish a Turd

well, guys, i just can't takes it anymore. this Engine Masters Challange has just taken the damned cake. 400M fords dominate. DOMINATE. #1 and 4 of the top 7!!! the biggest TURD of an engine ford or anybody ever made and it's being held up as the Gold standard. It's like watching Heidi Klum go up and kiss Seal after the Vic. Secret show. ptttueey!

i just sent off the editor of PHR a scathing letter to this effect. I had a 79 bronco with a 351M in it and when i put in a 400M with a Schneider cam, Edel intake and Holley 600 i got NO NOTICEABLE INCREASE IN POWER! as has been alluded to by me and many others on this site in the past, the 400M is best served as a boat anchor. I just can't believe the way the world is going. Is it MY g-g-generations fault? holy crap i'm pissed. Radiohead MOST MISERABLE ALBUM OF ALL TIME gets nominated for a grammy, and the 400M is the greatest engine ever built! I'm ready to put a 45 in my mouth. a turd is a turd by any other name.... & still smells like $%&*

anybody else feel the same way? or is it just me

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Old 01-02-2009, 02:17 PM
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I couldnt agree more....but i did see on Mythbusters that you can in FACT ..."polish a turd"....
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Old 01-02-2009, 02:43 PM
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I believe that the 400 is a tall deck version of the 351c. My dad has one in his 79 F-350 that is stock except for twin pipes and it will pull 9000 pounds of scrap with no problem. I believe that they were a good engine that was killed by smog and everyone thinks of them as a dog even though most engines were equally crappy at the time. I hope all that made sense
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it's always been called a boat anchor simply because it is relatively $,$$$ expensive and extensive custom re-work to build significantly HP and TQ compared to other base motor options....

here's a 500HP 400M example:

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/e...ild/index.html

enough time and money anything is possible....
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400m

not a bad engine had i in co truck put my own 4v manifold and holley carb very strong, the weakness was lube sytem but that was the same as 351 c and easly rectified with sending pressure oil to the oil pressure port at the back of the block,by way of remote oil filter kit and teing from filter to normal oil in as well as hole at rear .this insured good supply to the 2 rear mains and coresponding rod bearings, then inst some early 4v heads, or better still the ausy heads. cliff
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anybody else feel the same way? or is it just me
It's you, and here is why, the 400(no M) is a tall deck 351C, now I understand your frustration
with Ford being the winner at the EMC this year, but then again, you have to look at who built
that engine. Plus the fact that you probably didn't have anyone around that knows whats what with the
smogger 351M/400. If you did, you'd have been very happy with your old Bronco...

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Old 01-03-2009, 09:25 AM
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That engine was a dog in every vehicle it came in, a work-horse, but a dog.

Had it been produced in modern times with all the advancements we have achieved it would likely be a very popular engine and be pumping out serious power.

After all, it is a 400.
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That engine is a stroked 351 c with the right parts it will scream.They used to say the same about the 400 sbc. but time has changed some minds.
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400m

To be accurate, the 400M is a tall block Cleveland with a modified bell housing to mate to the 429/460 transmissions. It was designed as an early smog motor to replace the big blocks in order to increase CAFE rating for FoMOCo.

Since it has Cleveland heads, it is inherently a platform capable of a very high performance as evidenced by the recent Motor Challenge results. Dynos don't lie.

Since it was a short term smog compliant design that little or no performance work was done on at the time, it has acquired a bad reputation and is fairly costly to get big HP out of, but that may be beginning to change.
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No "M" after 400, and they were originally designed with a Windsor/Cleveland bell housing mount.
They are no more expensive to build as any other Cleveland engine...

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Ya also have to look at whose heads are on those engines. CHI on every dang one of them. Kaase/CHI are using engine masters to promote their businesses, and getting paid for it!

I say more power to them.





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I would like to see a competitive 355. There is a chevy 302 combo that has been in the top 5 two years running.
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didn't imply i didn't like my bronco. thought it was the best thing that every came out of detroit. but that was due to the running gear, limited slip front and rear. no chevy could go where it went. 'cept for one like mine with real 4 wheel drive. just KNOW that engine was a turd, and if there is no M after the 400, better write in and tell phr. my thoughts at the time is that it was a windsor block with cleveland heads. i will defer to what y'all says tho, as i am NOT a ford fan AT ALL (god i wanna new mustang tho )
my next years issue of phr with the EMC is goin straight into the trash.
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Old 01-05-2009, 08:29 PM
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Keep in mind that these guys are not first time engine builders, they obviously know what they have to do to get the numbers they do. You should not be p.oed at the fact they saw something in a "boat anchor" that no one else sees. I give em an A+ for whippin the Chevy guys with a boat anchor engine. GO FORD! lol
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just KNOW that engine was a turd, and if there is no M after the 400, better write in and tell phr.
If you don't believe me, maybe you'll believe Ford...



But you're probably right, the editors of PHR would never get anything wrong...


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my thoughts at the time is that it was a windsor block with cleveland heads. i will defer to what y'all says tho, as i am NOT a ford fan AT ALL
I'm not a chevy fan at all, mainly because Dad was a Ford man... even though I tried to
be a chevy fan, I kept going back to the Fords because the chevys kept letting me down,

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