[Flipper_1938]

...to work with stock wheel studs.

When I bought them (used) they came with centers that were 1.5" thick. There were no threads on the wheel stud beyond the hole in the wheel. They were only held on by the threads in the lug nut shank....nothing in the head of the lug nut.

I fixed that. I had pockets milled into the wheels to get full thread engagement. I now have little windows where the lug holes hit the center hole, but that is minor compared to failing lug nuts at highway speeds.

before


after


with nuts

[matts37chev]

I really like that style wheel, glad you could make them work the way you wanted

[timothale]

Were those originally pin drive wheels with a center knock off like My Jag with wire wheels had.? Usually its better not to modify the wheels , go to a good parts store and buy longer lug studs. I had to replace the studs on one of my trailers and they had all the spec's in a catalog, stud thread size, length, knurl dia, and length. the knock offs usually had a lot of material in the center so yours look ok, I.ve had to find longer closed end lug nuts to run some aluminum wheels.. I think thelug nuts were off a Mustang II with the factory aluminum wheels.

[Flipper_1938]

Originally Posted by timothale

Were those originally pin drive wheels with a center knock off like My Jag with wire wheels had.? Usually its better not to modify the wheels , go to a good parts store and buy longer lug studs. I had to replace the studs on one of my trailers and they had all the spec's in a catalog, stud thread size, length, knurl dia, and length. the knock offs usually had a lot of material in the center so yours look ok, I.ve had to find longer closed end lug nuts to run some aluminum wheels.. I think thelug nuts were off a Mustang II with the factory aluminum wheels.

No. These are later model wheels (late 90's?) make for a Dodge Dakota. They use mag wheel style lug nuts.

The wingnuts are just for looks.

[T-bucket23]

Why not just get longer studs. The holes will affect the strength especially that close to the wheel studs

[Deuce]

Originally Posted by T-bucket23

Why not just get longer studs. The holes will affect the strength especially that close to the wheel studs

I own a couple sets of Halibrands ... and they require a mag wheel type of lug nut.



In my opinion ... you have weakened the rims and I would not use them

[Flipper_1938]

Originally Posted by Deuce

I own a couple sets of Halibrands ... and they require a mag wheel type of lug nut.



In my opinion ... you have weakened the rims and I would not use them

I'm using that style lug nut except open ended. There is still .800" material under the lug nut. I would think they should still be plenty beefy.

[Flipper_1938]

Originally Posted by T-bucket23

Why not just get longer studs. The holes will affect the strength especially that close to the wheel studs

I couldn't find a listing for longer studs for a 2001 dodge dakota. I even tried looking up the specs and cross referencing something for another application and came up dry.

[T-bucket23]

Originally Posted by Flipper_1938

I couldn't find a listing for longer studs for a 2001 dodge dakota. I even tried looking up the specs and cross referencing something for another application and came up dry.

1/2 20 studs are available in any length you need. Summit, NAPA etc all carry them

[Deuce]

Halibrand sells lug nuts with the longer shank.
I recently bought a set of 20 for about 30 dollars ...
freight included to my door.
Took about 1 week from ordering to delivery.

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[Flipper_1938]

Originally Posted by Deuce

Halibrand sells lug nuts with the longer shank.
I recently bought a set of 20 for about 30 dollars ...
freight included to my door.
Took about 1 week from ordering to delivery.

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The longer shank was not the concern. No stud going into the hex was what bothered me.

[1971BB427]

No stud going into the hex portion isn't a concern. The number of threads into the nut is what's important, so going to a longer shank on the nut will solve the problem without modifying some really nice Halibrands.

[Flipper_1938]

Originally Posted by 1971BB427

No stud going into the hex portion isn't a concern. The number of threads into the nut is what's important, so going to a longer shank on the nut will solve the problem without modifying some really nice Halibrands.

Actually it is a problem, especially if somebody ever uses an impact on the lug nuts. The shank is pretty thin. If over torqued, the shank will pull into/crack and the hex will pop off. That is why NHRA requires open ended lug nuts...so they can verify that the stud goes into the hex.

The damage is done as far as Y'all are concerned. The problem is fixed as far as I'm concerned.

[jimmothershead]

Great pix.

I have a set of MAGNESIUM Halibrands and Americans....very black, from the fifties. Not the kidney beans like yours. I run newer aluminum Halibrands on our '33 Sedan Delivery.
I always find the longer shank nut.
You did a nice job, however.
Keep kroozen, Jim

[Flipper_1938]

The lugs fit like I planned.



The socket just barely has clearance



With tires