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Old 03-29-2007, 07:26 AM
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Id IFS suspension from pictures

Hie I need som help to Id a IFS on a Ford F100 mid 50s Pickup. I suppect that they are custom build but maybe the aren't.

Appreciate your help

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Old 03-29-2007, 07:43 AM
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Looks like a TCI, (Total Cost Involved),front end to me. The orange one has some mods for the airbags, .


The giveaway is the "tube" with setscrews that contains the eccentric upper control arm adjustment. I have only seen that on the TCI setups.

What is that jackshaft with the little gilmer belt on the orange one? (sometimes closeup pictures make me want to see the rest of the car)
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Wondered that myself. Centrifugal blower??

Nah, why the universal??
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Wondered that myself. Centrifugal blower??

Nah, why the universal??
That or....

I wonder if it's for a remote alternator or AC compressor mounted back under the cab somewhere?
Maybe all of the accessory drives are at the rear of the motor.

I'll bet the universal is to get the shaft past that snake farm of header pipes that makes up the header.

Just a guess

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Yea thats probably the one. How does the set screw works with the excentric. Is it like a bushing with an excentric hole and then you rotate the bushing to get the upper A-arm to move in and out. The set screw is just for locking or ???

I have some more pictures I can show on these cars.

The dark blue truck with the air ride logo is not the one with the black suspension. Unfortunatley i didn't have any picture from the outside of the black truck however one of the picture bellow is from the inside.

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That is how it works. The round bar slides front to rear to change caster.
The bar is drilled off center so as to make an eccentric , and is rotated to change camber. Once you have everything in alignment, you tighten the setscrews.

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Is that a good solution, I meen if I hit a bump how big is the chance of slip in the excentric and misalignment as a consequence. Is it better or worse than the standard mustang II solution.

I was planing to make a suspension like the pictures bellow with uniballs on the upper A-arm. But then you have the lifetime issues with uniballs vs the solution that TCI has.

I have seen that one can solve the caster angle adjustment in two ways. One way is to do like TCI does with a slider. I have also seen that one can rotate the upper A-arm backwards like the standard aftermarket MII suspensions. Are these two solutions on the same issue (caster adjustment) or have I got something wrong.

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Powerrodmike:

I took a peek in your photoalbum and saw one of the coolast trucks I have seen.

Byron's COE front

F1 overbuild black with, what do you call it? double mounting tires in the rear

Great looking truck. thumbs up
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Heidts does it like your design, except they use urethane bushed rod ends with threaded shanks. The eccentric is an ok way to get alot of adjustment out of your suspension. I think they did it to compensate for severly raked cars. ( Heidts recommends cutting off a bit of the rear leg of the upper control arm to get proper caster in vehicles with more than 4 or 5 degrees of frame rake that have had the crossmember installed parallel with the frame instead of the ground.

I have seen those TCI eccentrics move. Guys will lose the star tipped setscrews, and substitute ball or cup ends..they just don't seem to hold.

I have been tack welding the eccentrics on the stuff I set up..after it has been aligned.


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Powerrodmike:

I took a peek in your photoalbum and saw one of the coolast trucks I have seen.

Byron's COE front

F1 overbuild black with, what do you call it? double mounting tires in the rear

Great looking truck. thumbs up
Isn't that truck cool

COE = Cab Over Engine.

Duallies is what we call those double rear tires over here.

here is a link to Heidts
http://www.heidts.com/heip23.htm
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Ok then I will probably go with the uniball style. I was planing to use steel/rubber bushings inside the crossmember to get that real smooth ride.

See picture.

How much should the caster angle be on a ford F100 -56 if the crossmeber is welded in parallell with the ground.

I have made the antidive angle 3 degrees is that to much or ??

I have just ordered the Tune to Win boook with carrol shelby I hope this book will give me some tip.

I am planning to order the powerrack and pinon from flaming river, spindles and balljoints from summit racing and the Dynalite Pro Series Front Hub Kit from willwood and the rest of the things I will be manufacturing my self or order in Sweden like uniballs and material for the crossmember and upper and lower A-arms. You know the swedish taxes and toll on parts from the states isn't fun.

At the moment my truck looks like this. Bad photos


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Cool truck

3* anti dive angle is stock on the MII which would probably be ok.
That book by carrol shelby will give you a little insight to how those angles are determined. The center of gravity of the truck is the determining factor.
There is a guy on this board named BillyShope who is the suspension math guy. You would do well to PM him about it.

Make sure if you are building your own suspension that you don't build bumpsteer into it.


TCI recommends 1*- 1 1/2* caster on their MII installations.

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Thank you very much for the feedback.

I am looking forward to the arrival of the book.

I will try to do my homework before I will take contact with BillyShope.

Yea I have the bumpster under control thats why I want to order the steering rack before I make the final drawing on the crossmember.

Best rergards Jimmy

It must be quit late in california now??? or maybe early morning 04:00 am maybe??
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