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Old 10-07-2010, 11:46 PM
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Ignition wiring for g-body Cutlass

I just replaced my stock floor shift steering column with a Flaming River chrome column. I'm going with the Flaming River keyless ignition push button start in a few months. in the meantime I need to start the car. I got an ignition cylinder and key from an 91 Toyota Camry that was dash mounted in that car. Im going to temporarily mount this in my glove box.

My question is.....which wires from the factory column do I need to wire to the Camry ignition? I have a Haynes manual and also have access to All Data but ALL wiring diagrams look like alien chat to me. Any help is appreciated and thanx in advance!

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This is the column............



In the car with some work still to do........



And this is the ignition from the Camry......the wires are labeled as follows.......AM1, ST1, ACC, IG1, ST2, AM2, IG2..........What are the wire colors in my Cutlass for this to function?


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If you have the schematic for the Camry and the Cutlas ignition/start wiring post them and we should be able to give you wire to wire connections.
Also, does the car have a computer controlled engine?
Does the car have an HEI ignition system?
Does the car have the original wiring harness?
What year is the car?

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If you have the schematic for the Camry and the Cutlas ignition/start wiring post them and we should be able to give you wire to wire connections.
Also, does the car have a computer controlled engine?
Does the car have an HEI ignition system?
Does the car have the original wiring harness?
What year is the car?

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Thanx Vicrod. I got the car started just before you posted.

Not computer controlled, I've got a Chevy 383 in it.
Its not an HEI system
It has the original wiring harness

Its an 84 Cutlass. I went to the12volt.com and pulled up the wiring diagram but the colors aren't the same for the wiring. But when I pull up an 85 Monte Carlo, all the wire colors are the same, so I'm working off that diagram.

From the car I got Red(constant 12v), Purple(starter), Pink(ignition) and Orange(acc).

Car starts but the tail lights remain on the entire time and the headlights wont come on.

Now my question is which wires from the original column do I have to connect for the head lights, turn signals, wipers and hazards to operate?
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The point type distributor requires a ballast wire between the ignition switch and the coil +. And a start wire from the starter to the coil +. The Cutlass had neither.
Or change to an HEI distributor that only requires a single wire from the ignition switch. The Cutlass harness should have that.

Generally GM wire colors were the same for the task they did such as start, ignition, etc.

The turn signals & hazard flashers should connect as original. If the wire colors on the MONTE diagram are the same as the your Cutlass you should be OK. But regardless of the color check the actual function of the wire (refering to the diagram) to verify the correct wire is connected.

If the headlight dimmer is on the new steering column this also should be the same as the original connection.

If the wiper switch and headlight switch are on the new column but not on the original column we will need to examine the diagrams for both the original and the new column switch to determine how to do the conversion.

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If the headlight dimmer is on the new steering column this also should be the same as the original connection.

If the wiper switch and headlight switch are on the new column but not on the original column we will need to examine the diagrams for both the original and the new column switch to determine how to do the conversion.

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I am afraid this one is going to turn into a lot of work . Looking at the picture of the new column , the only wiring harness I see coming out of it is for the directionals . Unless there is more to it than I can see in the picture . Terraplane answers a lot of wiring posts and has wired numerous cars but he is gone on a weekend cruise and I don't expect to see him back on here until Monday so it looks like Vicrod has this one . I'll keep watching just to see how it turns out. Sorry no advice to add . Just bored .
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You're correct in saying the only harness from the new column is for the turn signals and hazards. But there are several other wires that went to the original column that are dangling, I'm assuming I need to jump to to each other in some sort of way(if that made sense) because the hazards and signals aren't working at the moment either.

I've got the ignition ans starter wires together, I started the car with the Camry key. I have a MSD ignition set-up, not the points. Now just trying to figure out the rest that was originally on the column, wipers and headlights.
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Also, this was mounted on the backside of the dash, on the drivers side. What is it?

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If you have the old steering column you can compare which controls are on it with the new column.
But the remaining wires must be for the following.
Headlight/dimmer switch.
Wiper/washer control switch.

You will need a dash mounted light switch and a foot operated dimmer switch. The wiring is the same just the locations of the switches are different.

A dash mounted, GM wiper/washer control switch will also be needed and the wires connected.

One option would be to contact Flaming River to see if they can provide a conversion kit to duplicate the controls that were on the original column.

I don't what the thing is in the picture. Can you trace out the wires? Do the wires go into the main harness or are seperate as would be found in a non-factory accessory like a security system?

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Cruise control?? Or antenna relay? Just a guess.

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