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and if you read the post he was reply'n to.. that listed factory engines with 100k waranty..
1.2hp/cid is about right..
ya anyone can make 2hp/cid and even more..
streetable and long lasting are not used in same sentance
Edelbrock is not anymore "factory" than many other crate engine builders- the other guys just do a better job. Many of those builders also offer warranties. And just about every major auto manufacturer produces engines that exceed 1.2hp/ci and they warranty them.

There are many streetable long lasting engines that produce well in excess of 1.2hp/ci BUT for the most part they don't use 1960's technology.

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Yep 1.2 to 1.5 covers most american v8s.
so now it's up to 1.5hp/ci, NA, and it has to be an American V8... funny how such a broad statement has become so pigeonholed.
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I have put a few of these in old Corvettes.

LS3 525HP with FREE Shipping

Power: 525 HP @ 6300 RPM, 489 ft. lbs. of torque @ 4400 RPM

General Motors limited 2 year / 50,000 mile parts & labor warranty.



GM Performance Parts - 19259233 - GMPP LS3 376CID 525 HP Crate Engine
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Edelbrock is not anymore "factory" than many other crate engine builders- the other guys just do a better job. Many of those builders also offer warranties. And just about every major auto manufacturer produces engines that exceed 1.2hp/ci and they warranty them.

There are many streetable long lasting engines that produce well in excess of 1.2hp/ci BUT for the most part they don't use 1960's technology.
again reread.. the post you are barking about was 1.2hp/cid n/a
6.2ltrs making 427 hp is what hp/cid?
we can go down the line ford/mopar/honda/toyota/ with the n/a engines..
not turbo'd not s/c'd.. n/a
turbo's are going to be a warrany nightmare.. they have been from day one..
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I have put a few of these in old Corvettes.

LS3 525HP with FREE Shipping

Power: 525 HP @ 6300 RPM, 489 ft. lbs. of torque @ 4400 RPM

General Motors limited 2 year / 50,000 mile parts & labor warranty.



GM Performance Parts - 19259233 - GMPP LS3 376CID 525 HP Crate Engine
now post one that can be dropped into a obII car and be legal..
that be the lsIII 427hp crate engine..
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so now it's up to 1.5hp/ci, NA, and it has to be an American V8... funny how such a broad statement has become so pigeonholed.
show me any small cid engine that makes huge hp n/a
better yet one that makes torque..
a 3ltr v12 needs 8900rpm.. and reliable it's not..
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now post one that can be dropped into a obII car and be legal..
that be the lsIII 427hp crate engine..

The thread concerns trying to get 450hp for a road racing application, so no need for any concern for OB-Anything. Ford makes some crate raced engines that would work fine in a RR application and are cheap.
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12k cheap.. ok..
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show me any small cid engine that makes huge hp n/a
better yet one that makes torque..
a 3ltr v12 needs 8900rpm.. and reliable it's not..
What the hell does torque have to do with anything?
What the hell is "a 3ltr v12 needs 8900rpm" about?

For an engine that makes more than 1.2hp/ci NA you can look at almost any OEM 4 cylinder built in the last decade, and a lot of V6's and V8's. For power in excess of 1.5hp/ci you can look at almost any 4 cylinder motorcycle engine built in the last 4 decades.

And almost all of those come with factory warranties.
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What the hell does torque have to do with anything?
What the hell is "a 3ltr v12 needs 8900rpm" about?

For an engine that makes more than 1.2hp/ci NA you can look at almost any OEM 4 cylinder built in the last decade, and a lot of V6's and V8's. For power in excess of 1.5hp/ci you can look at almost any 4 cylinder motorcycle engine built in the last 4 decades.

And almost all of those come with factory warranties.
ok, sure.. the motorbikes that need r&r every 8-10k
you win.. I'm done..
but please list off some oem 4 and 6 n/a engines that are powerhouses..
the 2.4 echotech would need 175-180hp na

your statement that "What the hell does torque have to do with anything"
clears everything up.. thanks
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ok, sure.. the motorbikes that need r&r every 8-10k
you win.. I'm done..
but please list off some oem 4 and 6 n/a engines that are powerhouses..
the 2.4 echotech would need 175-180hp na

your statement that "What the hell does torque have to do with anything"
clears everything up.. thanks
Apparently we have another troll... Go away troll.
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In 1973 my 38 plymouth 1684 Lbs. 283 cubic inch, 485 HP, Rev Pole 4 lobe dual point, 14/1 Jahns pistons fly cut, ported and polished power pack injector 63 cc heads, shim gaskets, sodium exhaust valves, 525 lb. valve springs, 283 girdled 2 bolt main, steel crank lightened and balanced chromed journals (polished on all surfaces), shot peened rods( all surfaces polished), steel custom rockers girdled screw in studs, G.K. solid flat tappet cam 660 lift and over 312 duration installed retarded 8 degrees, ford drilled lifters, tunnel ram, 2 950 Holleys ,Wet sump home made 10 Qt pan with wind-age tray trapdoor and scrappers , 4 speed hydro, 588 gears, and many more tricks! could rev. over 9000 rpm but the valve train would have to be just about replaced every week to get ready for the next runs! I don't see why you cant do it to a 302 ford! The 289 Windsors could, some could out rev my 283!

Its the durability that is the question? A high revving engine isn't built for durability!! You dont want an engine you have to rebuild every 5 hrs of run time on it!! Which most drag racers do! I build destroked engines and don't recommend Eagle cranks unless your desperate to save money!


Heres a 276 cu inch small block!




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TECHNICAL DATA
VIN number 124378N411100
Build Date 04A (first week of April)
Color Corvette Bronze
Interior Code 712, black standard
Car Shipper Shipped on April 11, 1968 to Ammon R. Smith Auto Company, York, PA
Engine Data Cubic Inches, 302
Cylinder heads #3917291, completely stock, no porting allowed!
Stock rocker arms & valve springs
Intake 302 aluminum intake, casting #3917610
Carburetor Holley, #4053, 780 CFM 4bbl
Camshaft Crane, .480 inches lift, 272 degrees duration, valve lash, .016-.016
Pistons GM 302, .030" oversize
Horsepower 456 @7700rpm
Rear Tires 9" x 30.0" Hoosier's
Rear axle & ratio 12-bolt, 5.57 Richmond Pro Gears
Clutch 10 inch, three finger from Advance Clutch Technology
Shift Points 8200 RPM
BEST ET 10.80 @122.30mph

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The Old Reliable:

Keystone Nationals, Maple Grove, PA.
TECHNICAL DATA
VIN number 124378N411100
Build Date 04A (first week of April)
Color Corvette Bronze
Interior Code 712, black standard
Car Shipper Shipped on April 11, 1968 to Ammon R. Smith Auto Company, York, PA
Engine Data Cubic Inches, 302
Cylinder heads #3917291, completely stock, no porting allowed!
Stock rocker arms & valve springs
Intake 302 aluminum intake, casting #3917610
Carburetor Holley, #4053, 780 CFM 4bbl
Camshaft Crane, .480 inches lift, 272 degrees duration, valve lash, .016-.016
Pistons GM 302, .030" oversize
Horsepower 456 @7700rpm
Rear Tires 9" x 30.0" Hoosier's
Rear axle & ratio 12-bolt, 5.57 Richmond Pro Gears
Clutch 10 inch, three finger from Advance Clutch Technology
Shift Points 8200 RPM
BEST ET 10.80 @122.30mph

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look a 20k superstocker engine... not a throw 700.oo eagle 331 kit in it and go 302
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Yeah bikes dont come with 100k warranties sport bike usally alot less. 24k miles is the norm for bikes. Also the engine is toast at 24k with the piston speed they run bearing rings pistons rods everything is stressed to the max. If you ride a bike wide open all the time it can be worn out at 6k miles.

Honda civic is agreed by all to be kinda sporty and a strong running engine. So 1650 cc's equals 100 ci they make 100 hp. Thats less than 1.2 its 1-1

Its all about cylinder pressure and rpm. The physics of objects in motion. There is no way around it. You must raise one and both shorten engine life. So not too many engines will ever go past that point unless they can run a fuel that has a higher btu value its not going to change. Cheaper forgings is the only reasons you will see an engine any higher then 1.2.
a 100hp honda? They've been way past that since the 80's. Most manufacturers passed the 1.2hp/ci on their 4 cylinders in the late 80's, and have been past it ever since.


Obviously some people haven't touched a car made after 1973- nothing wrong with that- but realize your concepts are WAY out of date.
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