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I don't think anyone would put either Edelbrock or GM at the pinnacle of performance...They're not dead last but pretty close to it in that regard. There are a LOT of 350ci crate engines out there that put out over 425hp.
and if you read the post he was reply'n to.. that listed factory engines with 100k waranty..
1.2hp/cid is about right..
ya anyone can make 2hp/cid and even more..
streetable and long lasting are not used in same sentance

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and if you read the post he was reply'n to.. that listed factory engines with 100k waranty..
1.2hp/cid is about right..
ya anyone can make 2hp/cid and even more..
streetable and long lasting are not used in same sentance
Edelbrock is not anymore "factory" than many other crate engine builders- the other guys just do a better job. Many of those builders also offer warranties. And just about every major auto manufacturer produces engines that exceed 1.2hp/ci and they warranty them.

There are many streetable long lasting engines that produce well in excess of 1.2hp/ci BUT for the most part they don't use 1960's technology.
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and if you read the post he was reply'n to.. that listed factory engines with 100k waranty..
1.2hp/cid is about right..
ya anyone can make 2hp/cid and even more..
streetable and long lasting are not used in same sentance

Yep 1.2 to 1.5 covers most american v8s. Its the safe butter zone for long life engine. Usally more power than that increases piston speed and that will shorten engine life reguardless of hop up parts added. Everything will wear out faster at those higher loads.

Edelbrock and GM sell new engines. The gm replacement engine is not a crate engine its a rebuild and it has been getting bad reviews lately. But I have not seen too many new engines from gm or edelbrock fail. New blocks with all new parts is usally a good motor. I have never been let down by a poorly designed or manufactured edelbrock part. Cost is another issue. But they are top of the mark for quality.

I dont know of any 500 hp 350's that come with 100K mile warranty. If you guys know of one dont keep it a secret.
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Yep 1.2 to 1.5 covers most american v8s.
so now it's up to 1.5hp/ci, NA, and it has to be an American V8... funny how such a broad statement has become so pigeonholed.
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so now it's up to 1.5hp/ci, NA, and it has to be an American V8... funny how such a broad statement has become so pigeonholed.
American's use long stroke big piston low rpm v8s. ferrari and other high rpm engine use shorter stokes and higher piston speed to make more power. 1.5 covers higher output v8 like bmw, merc but 1.2 is very fair for road use.

You cant make more power without higher piston speed, more displacement or boost. Nothing else makes any difference at all sep where things were built with a restriction of some type.

looked at another way 2 hp per ci would mean a stock 5.0 litre ford mustang from 1989 would make 604hp. or a 350 would be 700 hp.
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Power: 525 HP @ 6300 RPM, 489 ft. lbs. of torque @ 4400 RPM

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Edelbrock is not anymore "factory" than many other crate engine builders- the other guys just do a better job. Many of those builders also offer warranties. And just about every major auto manufacturer produces engines that exceed 1.2hp/ci and they warranty them.

There are many streetable long lasting engines that produce well in excess of 1.2hp/ci BUT for the most part they don't use 1960's technology.
again reread.. the post you are barking about was 1.2hp/cid n/a
6.2ltrs making 427 hp is what hp/cid?
we can go down the line ford/mopar/honda/toyota/ with the n/a engines..
not turbo'd not s/c'd.. n/a
turbo's are going to be a warrany nightmare.. they have been from day one..
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I have put a few of these in old Corvettes.

LS3 525HP with FREE Shipping

Power: 525 HP @ 6300 RPM, 489 ft. lbs. of torque @ 4400 RPM

General Motors limited 2 year / 50,000 mile parts & labor warranty.



GM Performance Parts - 19259233 - GMPP LS3 376CID 525 HP Crate Engine
now post one that can be dropped into a obII car and be legal..
that be the lsIII 427hp crate engine..
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so now it's up to 1.5hp/ci, NA, and it has to be an American V8... funny how such a broad statement has become so pigeonholed.
show me any small cid engine that makes huge hp n/a
better yet one that makes torque..
a 3ltr v12 needs 8900rpm.. and reliable it's not..
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now post one that can be dropped into a obII car and be legal..
that be the lsIII 427hp crate engine..

The thread concerns trying to get 450hp for a road racing application, so no need for any concern for OB-Anything. Ford makes some crate raced engines that would work fine in a RR application and are cheap.
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12k cheap.. ok..
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show me any small cid engine that makes huge hp n/a
better yet one that makes torque..
a 3ltr v12 needs 8900rpm.. and reliable it's not..
What the hell does torque have to do with anything?
What the hell is "a 3ltr v12 needs 8900rpm" about?

For an engine that makes more than 1.2hp/ci NA you can look at almost any OEM 4 cylinder built in the last decade, and a lot of V6's and V8's. For power in excess of 1.5hp/ci you can look at almost any 4 cylinder motorcycle engine built in the last 4 decades.

And almost all of those come with factory warranties.
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What the hell does torque have to do with anything?
What the hell is "a 3ltr v12 needs 8900rpm" about?

For an engine that makes more than 1.2hp/ci NA you can look at almost any OEM 4 cylinder built in the last decade, and a lot of V6's and V8's. For power in excess of 1.5hp/ci you can look at almost any 4 cylinder motorcycle engine built in the last 4 decades.

And almost all of those come with factory warranties.
ok, sure.. the motorbikes that need r&r every 8-10k
you win.. I'm done..
but please list off some oem 4 and 6 n/a engines that are powerhouses..
the 2.4 echotech would need 175-180hp na

your statement that "What the hell does torque have to do with anything"
clears everything up.. thanks
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ok, sure.. the motorbikes that need r&r every 8-10k
you win.. I'm done..
but please list off some oem 4 and 6 n/a engines that are powerhouses..
the 2.4 echotech would need 175-180hp na

your statement that "What the hell does torque have to do with anything"
clears everything up.. thanks
Apparently we have another troll... Go away troll.
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In 1973 my 38 plymouth 1684 Lbs. 283 cubic inch, 485 HP, Rev Pole 4 lobe dual point, 14/1 Jahns pistons fly cut, ported and polished power pack injector 63 cc heads, shim gaskets, sodium exhaust valves, 525 lb. valve springs, 283 girdled 2 bolt main, steel crank lightened and balanced chromed journals (polished on all surfaces), shot peened rods( all surfaces polished), steel custom rockers girdled screw in studs, G.K. solid flat tappet cam 660 lift and over 312 duration installed retarded 8 degrees, ford drilled lifters, tunnel ram, 2 950 Holleys ,Wet sump home made 10 Qt pan with wind-age tray trapdoor and scrappers , 4 speed hydro, 588 gears, and many more tricks! could rev. over 9000 rpm but the valve train would have to be just about replaced every week to get ready for the next runs! I don't see why you cant do it to a 302 ford! The 289 Windsors could, some could out rev my 283!

Its the durability that is the question? A high revving engine isn't built for durability!! You dont want an engine you have to rebuild every 5 hrs of run time on it!! Which most drag racers do! I build destroked engines and don't recommend Eagle cranks unless your desperate to save money!


Heres a 276 cu inch small block!




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