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Old 03-09-2005, 06:44 AM
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I'm a Canadian rod builder that needs to vent!

You Americans don't know how good you have it! I'm a proud Canadian, but it's such a pain in the ***** to get anything done around here. Canadians in general are not into their cars like Americans, they are more into spectator sports like watching hockey or football. Probably explains why we have no Nascar track or any half decent drag strips.As far as speed shops,forget it!! My local speed shop carries things like cheap chrome valve covers, decals, and a few other bolt-on parts. Anything else must be ordered. That's an ordeal in itself, I've been waiting 5 1/2 weeks for my set of Torq-thrust rims, and they are still not here!! Geez! I spent hours on the net trying to find upholstery material, as well as sound deadning material for my interior, only to find out that the retailer wants double the cost of the same thing in the US. It would be great to order it through retailers in the States, but as the product crosses the border, I get dinged with brokerage fees which sometimes add up to as much as 40% of the cost of the part, then I have to pay sales tax. That's another thing, our Provincial sales tax is 15 % !!!! Geeez!! My butt is getting pretty sore from all the raping the government does to me!!All in all, my car is slowwwwwwly getting done. I'm looking forward to some of the US rod shows coming up so that I can go down there with a big wad of cash to buy the remaining pieces that I need.
There!!! I feel much better now!! I'm heading back to my shop to get something done on my car.
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Old 03-09-2005, 06:52 AM
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I feel for ya!

You should try building a rod in South Africa. It's gonna cost me USD$1300 for four imported silvertown whitewall radials for my '54 Chevy Bel Air.

I'd take being in Canada any day of the week.

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Old 03-09-2005, 09:25 AM
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Vent You Must

WOW, both of you guys got it rough .
I don't think I'll complain about shipping cost much any more.
Wish ya's the best of luck.

I'll just have to stay here in New Jersey
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Old 03-09-2005, 10:37 AM
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I agree with hemi43, but it used to be a lot worse than it is now. Ebay has helped us a great deal for the small stuff.
It pays to plan your buying around a trip to the US. for the bigger stuff.

I really pity the fellas in other parts of the world. Hotrodding is pretty much an American based hobby......................the rest of us have it a little harder, but that just makes us a little more dillegent.

The tax issue is our own fault.

I think, if the American government raised their various sales taxes up to 15%, there would be a retvolt, but we Canuks just take it "where the sun don't shine"
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Old 03-09-2005, 11:19 AM
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It helps me at least that in South Africa, GM, Ford, and Mopar all manufactured R.H.D versions of the U.S. classics that are the backbone of rodding in the United States. It's difficult to find the good stuff though in a desireable model, I can easily find S.A. built '40 Fords, '49 - '53 Mercs, '32 Fords, and even '55 - '57 Chevy's but they are all big fat 4dr sedans or actually anything but 2dr coupes, hardtops or convertibles.

I grew up in the U.K. though, and boy was that a sorry state of affairs. The only Detroit iron in England (or all of Europe for that matter) is what has been imported from the good ol USA, and they carried a price tag to match.

For the most part, I couldn't stand the European "classics", Ford Anglias, Cortinas, Mk1 Escorts, and old M.G's just weren't my style, the Brits just never made any real rodding material. I wanted big fat fenders, V8's, fins, and lots of chrome. Don't get me wrong, I got a kick going to shows and auto museums to see classic Bentleys, Jags, Aston Martins, and Mercedes, but I've never seen anyone build a rod out of one.

It is true that being a U.S. based industry, it is easiest for enthusiasts in the U.S., but I can't really imagine Canada being too bad, I suppose it's all relative in the end. We have a 14% sales tax (or V.A.T.) here in South Africa as well.

Just for interests sake, I will say that I nearly had a heart attack (and I'm only 24) when I found out the S.A. government charges a 50% import duty on any foreign cars personally imported into the country, and that's not just 50% of the value of the car, but 50% of the value of the car plus shipping plus 14% VAT!

Ouch! Guess I'd better stick to my Port Elizabeth built 4dr sedans and whatever else I can find here and just be happy I'm not living in England anymore.
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Since the market is so small here I find all the rod shops have slowly become "Accessories Vendors", if you want rims, chrome/stainless mufflers, large diameter exhaust tips, flashy lights on the dash, speedo covers etc. they have you covered.

God forbid you need a set of #70 jets for your Holley or a quality engine rebuild kit...forget it. Import tuning has taken over the industry with a vengence, the kids are the ones with the money so the market adjusts to suit.

Maybe I should buy another Honda. Hmmmm maybe an exhaust tip and stainless muffler for the Diesel Jetta.

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I'm not sure about Cape Town but up here in Johannesburg there are a few V8 spares shops. Take note that they only sell spares for American V8's and quite some performance parts too. Compared to "local" 4-cylinder cars standard 'rebuild' parts are quite cheap. It's when you go for dress-up and high-performance parts that it gets very expensive.

To add to what rlackey said, import duty on car parts is something like 19% of the total cost and then the 14% V.A.T. Now, the other day I wanted to order a EZWiring kit from the states via the internet but including shipping would have cost me US$500 which blew that idea out the water. Industry over here doesn't support the home car 'builder' in that fashion at all. I would have to take the car to some auto electrical shop to have it wired at the cost of an arm and a leg and then some more not to forget the excuses why they couldn't finish when promised and all the stuffing around. The other choice is obviously to buy a bunch of wire, draw my own wiring diagrams and slowly but surely wire the car one wire at a time.

By the way Rich, if you by any chance know of our hear about a '40 Ford you must please let me know. I must admit that I will want to be cheap and pay as little as possible for it. R2000 or less if at all possible.

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Well, I might need to find two in that case. I'm a Chevy guy I suppose (although I hate being put into a box like that), but a '39 or '40 Ford is next on my list after the '54 Bel Air, it has to be a coupe though with the original flathead motor.

I found a '39 a while back, but I think it may have actually been a Mercury, looked identical to the Ford to me though apart from maybe some trim. I'll see if it's still around, was somewhere in Northern Natal.
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Hemi43 I feel for you man.
I'm in Edmonton and what I'm finding to be a real pain is availability of parts. I'm trying to source things for my '34 Olds but nothing is available here at home...all the good stuff is south of the border. Like you mentioned, the cost of purchasing things from the states isn't so bad until the items hit the border and the extra fees and charges rack up to astronomical levels (thanks to Gov't fees and taxes).
I haven't purchased anything yet as I put the rod on hold during the cold winter months but I've been making my lists and checking them twice .....I think I'm just gonna give up on my '34 and build some late 60's or early 70's camaro instead. At least I can get parts for those here and my arse won't have to take the abuse yours has.
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Well, I might need to find two in that case. I'm a Chevy guy I suppose (although I hate being put into a box like that), but a '39 or '40 Ford is next on my list after the '54 Bel Air, it has to be a coupe though with the original flathead motor.

I found a '39 a while back, but I think it may have actually been a Mercury, looked identical to the Ford to me though apart from maybe some trim. I'll see if it's still around, was somewhere in Northern Natal.
To be honest I'd actually prefer a sedan, like the '40 Standard. Then again, they say beggars can't be choosers.
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Neophyte,

Well, here is a whole stash of old cars waiting to be resurected, they are in Natal and they have a good inventory but your right, beggars can't be choosers. You will probably find a couple '39 - '40 Ford or Mercury sedans listed, but be prepared for an awful lot of work and a big hole in your pocket!

www.marmic.co.za

Hmm, site was down last time I checked, not sure what is going on with it.

These are the guys I bought my '54 Chevy Bel Air from, which I paid R5700 inc 14% VAT (just under USD$1000) for. They are nice enough, they trucked the car from Utrecht to Durban for free, but I think it was only because they had a two car trailer and were also transporting a car destined for Germany as well (for the benifit of anyone not from S.A. reading this post, Utrecht is the middle of nowhere... and this is Africa, so it's really the middle of nowhere!).

If I am honest, I think I got ripped off, especially since you checked out that '52 for R1000, but mine is a Bel Air, original and complete, but I haven't seen enough of them for sale to tell what they are really worth or if I really got ripped off or not.

It doesn't matter, I spent the money and I'm happy so for me ignorance is bliss.
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Well I am a newbie pretty much to this board, but as I was lurking by I spotted another couple of Canucks...so I thought I would stop by and say hello...I'm from London Ont, actualy from a little burg in the boonies about 30 kliks out of London St.Marys to be exact...and I can certainly relate to the hassel of trying to build a car in Canada, I am just doing a 69 Lesabre Convertible and having a miserable time getting some parts. especially front fenders...yah have to wonder where all these cars went...I found a couple of rust free fenders in Fargo North Dakota...for a decent price ..But by the time I find away to get them here it makes it to costly to do it ..so I gotta fix the beat up old turkeys that I got other the cost will be tooooo much... anyway didn't want to hijack the post just stopped to say hellow to a couple other canucks suffering the same depression on building an American car in Canada...Fatchuk
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The tax issue is our own fault.

I think, if the American government raised their various sales taxes up to 15%, there would be a retvolt, but we Canuks just take it "where the sun don't shine"
I couldn't agree more.
We get near 50% tax rate on income over $50,000 a year, we buy stuff and get taxed 7 1/2% P.S.T and 7% G.S.T., and we get screwed at the border too.
What a dream world for car building!
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I hope many of the USA rodders here read about the challenges our friends from outside the States face with rodding and taxes. Ouch! And we are all whining about $2.00 a gallon gasoline!

Is it possible for you to buy GM performance parts from the local GM dealer? Guess the rodders here in the USA take the ease of getting parts for granted. Just this past 2 days I attended the Hot Rod and Restoration show with @800 vendors in Indianapolis IN and the Keana indoor swap meet in Louisville KY with more booths than I could comprehend.

And pardon my ignorance but didn't NAFTA open the borders for trade in North America?

I appreciate all of your perseverance.
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I can only be envious of all the rodding stuff you guys in the U.S. have access to. We have one really ONE swap meet in Ontario once in the spring and once in the fall and I would say it has about a 40% t-shirt and socks and jewelery content 15 to 20% stictly restorer content (nothing wrong with that) 25% caters to rodders and the rest is stuff that has dragged there because the guys who drag just want to party and bring the same crap year after year....mostly junk... Nafta??? is a joke for us when I see some parts in a a mag or on the net in the U.S. the first we have to deal with is the money difference and no matter how you cut a buck in Canada is still abuck we need to pay the bills...and buy groceries same as you guys.out of our paychecks..then we got the border and shipping we get raped with anything coming in to Canada by our own government and the shippers, who want at least $50.00 to bring a $10.00 part in ....thats it in Ont..except for a few pretty small swap meets that you can blow through in about 2hrs..with maybe 5 vendors dealing in streetrod stuff...what you pay a dollar for.. by the time it's on my floor in my shop it costs me about $3.00 in Canadian funds...all so I can be a proud Canadian..yeah right. ..I don't care a dang about politics and I have no pride in anything the Canadian government does except shove it up my butt... .I won't speak for others but for me and my hobby and interests the sooner they make Ontario the 51st state the happier I would be to be a Hotrodder... I look at thousands of cars you guys have for sale and all the rust free stuff from the warm states that I could be working on but the border, the exchange rate, and the hassel of dealing with banks to pay for the stuff and getting into Canada makes it depressing and discouraging and impossible for a lot of guys who would be in this hobby if it wasn't so tough because we live in Canada...the best thing that has happened to bring us closer is the internet ...even with all the scams, porno, and crashed computer at least I talk and play and learn and keep informed...with everything that is going on in all the different styles and customs and rods happening in the good old U.S. I ahve on a few occassions made a few small shows in the states and just had a ball....and made some lifelong friends.....sorry for the long ramble..fatchuk
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