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Old 01-10-2007, 05:54 AM
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You might as well use the Crites kit on the shock towers, or better yet just MII the front end. You will be happier in the long run.

I don't hink that I will ever do another one without trimming the towers, even if I use a 302 block. It's too easy to do, and the benefits later are well worth the trouble.
What do you mean by "trimming the towers"? Mine is alomst completely disassembled and I could do it. That won't give me enough room for a 4.6 DOHC will it?
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Old 01-10-2007, 07:01 AM
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MrPhoto -- no offense, but you ARE only 14. You've got a lot to learn! You will be able to learn most of the basics with the six, and it will be very forgiving. I run a six now, though it has been hopped up just a little... The point is none of the things you've talked about have an application. On most sixes a 500 cfm carb will kill it. A lot of people put 750 cfm carbs on V-8s, then wonder why they seem to have lost power instead of gained. The carb has to be sized to the engine, as already pointed out. I deal mostly with Rambler/AMC/Jeep sixes (all the same, with the exception of the oldest Rambler sixes). The biggest one is a 258. The largest carb used on it is a 500 cfm 4V, but only hard core drag racers use it. It only works well at high rpm. Most of the four wheelers use a Holley 390 cfm 4V, and a few a 450 cfm.

The Ford 200 is a good engine, but the intake is cast into the head. You really can't change carburetors on it. That's one of the limitations to that design. It can still produce decent power. Compare it to a Honda Civic or one of the other small four cylinder cars of today -- that's about how the car will feel (a little better because of the six). Learn to drive it -- it may not last more than a year or two. We were all young once, and most of use can tell you about the wrecks and/or stupid stuff we did with or first cars that led to their demise. Most of us got through it with only minor injuries -- and the real lucky (like me!!) with none. The cars, however.... well, let me say that there aren't that many that still have their first car in great condition. There are a few, but most of the cars are gone. Big plans and cutting/"fixing up" ruined more than one of them due to lack of knowledge/skill and/or funds. Nothing like starting a project that will never get finished!

So take it easy! Get the thing running. Learn to tune it, do your own brake job, and other things. THEN contemplate what you'd like to put under the hood. A turbo on the six would help -- the engine will only suck so much air down that small carb, but you can force a bit more! Not a whole lot, but enough to notice. The fours have larger carbs, actually. They turn a lot more rpm, so they move more air -- the pistons just have to move up and down a lot faster to move it. That's why in-line sixes last so long -- they turn relatively slow in comparison to small fours. That's the main reason US manufacturers in the 60s used small sixes instead of fours -- longevity. Slower turning means fewer warranty calls too.
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MrPhoto -- no offense, but you ARE only 14. You've got a lot to learn! You will be able to learn most of the basics with the six, and it will be very forgiving. I run a six now, though it has been hopped up just a little... The point is none of the things you've talked about have an application. On most sixes a 500 cfm carb will kill it. A lot of people put 750 cfm carbs on V-8s, then wonder why they seem to have lost power instead of gained. The carb has to be sized to the engine, as already pointed out. I deal mostly with Rambler/AMC/Jeep sixes (all the same, with the exception of the oldest Rambler sixes). The biggest one is a 258. The largest carb used on it is a 500 cfm 4V, but only hard core drag racers use it. It only works well at high rpm. Most of the four wheelers use a Holley 390 cfm 4V, and a few a 450 cfm.

The Ford 200 is a good engine, but the intake is cast into the head. You really can't change carburetors on it. That's one of the limitations to that design. It can still produce decent power. Compare it to a Honda Civic or one of the other small four cylinder cars of today -- that's about how the car will feel (a little better because of the six). Learn to drive it -- it may not last more than a year or two. We were all young once, and most of use can tell you about the wrecks and/or stupid stuff we did with or first cars that led to their demise. Most of us got through it with only minor injuries -- and the real lucky (like me!!) with none. The cars, however.... well, let me say that there aren't that many that still have their first car in great condition. There are a few, but most of the cars are gone. Big plans and cutting/"fixing up" ruined more than one of them due to lack of knowledge/skill and/or funds. Nothing like starting a project that will never get finished!

So take it easy! Get the thing running. Learn to tune it, do your own brake job, and other things. THEN contemplate what you'd like to put under the hood. A turbo on the six would help -- the engine will only suck so much air down that small carb, but you can force a bit more! Not a whole lot, but enough to notice. The fours have larger carbs, actually. They turn a lot more rpm, so they move more air -- the pistons just have to move up and down a lot faster to move it. That's why in-line sixes last so long -- they turn relatively slow in comparison to small fours. That's the main reason US manufacturers in the 60s used small sixes instead of fours -- longevity. Slower turning means fewer warranty calls too.


i know all that jazz.. my dad did all this crap when he was little so i mean i'm following in his footsteps..

hes here to help me..

and i know about the carb is overkill.. i just put out the idea

i'm using a 350 CFM holley

-scott
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Scott, you say your dad is going to help you.... please do have him read my post about Mustang brakes....

betcha' he will help pay for the parts

complete set of new steel lines from the master to all 4 wheels approx $100
front hoses approx $20 ea
new master cylinder approx $70
wheel cylinders, approx $20
new springs kit approx $10 per wheel
new front wheel bearings while you are in there...approx $8 ea

so for approx $300 (turn the drums, maybe new shoes) you can have all new SAFE brakes

I appreciate how excited you are!
But how would you feel if you killed your best friend riding in the car because the brakes failed!
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Old 01-10-2007, 10:49 AM
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What do you mean by "trimming the towers"? Mine is alomst completely disassembled and I could do it. That won't give me enough room for a 4.6 DOHC will it?

Go to google and insert "Crites shock tower modification"..... you will get lots of information.

This is the modification that was done to the original 62, 63, 64 Thunderbolt cars to fit in an FE, and later the Boss 429 Mustangs. The conversion for 62-65 Fairlanes is similar but different from all the other Fords.

Not sure how wide the DOHC is. It might require a Mustang II suspension conversion.
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Scott, you say your dad is going to help you.... please do have him read my post about Mustang brakes....

betcha' he will help pay for the parts

complete set of new steel lines from the master to all 4 wheels approx $100
front hoses approx $20 ea
new master cylinder approx $70
wheel cylinders, approx $20
new springs kit approx $10 per wheel
new front wheel bearings while you are in there...approx $8 ea

so for approx $300 (turn the drums, maybe new shoes) you can have all new SAFE brakes

I appreciate how excited you are!
But how would you feel if you killed your best friend riding in the car because the brakes failed!


alrighty

well first of all im excited

that my grandpa agreed to let me trade them
i'm excited that brent loves the cars and will pay 300 appice..

but hes charging me 1500 for the mustang..

so thats a 600 diffrence


but i found out today.. that i have another engine and tranny that i didnt know about

so i think that takes care of the rest of it..

i hope it does

and i'll find out later tonight..

but then all i got left is my dad...

the interior is the first thing i'll do

(wont take me long..) i'll switch it.. one day interior.. next exterior .. next engine.. next interior.. and so on..

then i'll get done faster i hope

and when it gets crunch time.. i'll finish the interior. then focus on engine..
then exterior

..now some one tell he how i can upload these pics
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Old 01-10-2007, 07:48 PM
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well guys i got some info. on the mustang..

the floorpans got to be replaced
the rocker panel has to be replaced
the cowl did leak.. which i suspect rusted allthat^.. and it needs to be fixed

it needs a hood..


6 cly 200 in it..

auto tranny
^that'll go

the seat mounts arent mounted down.. b/c its rusted...

trunk mounts are rusted..

i'm gettin a rust bucket

..but all the parts except for the hood are there

and the gas tank is rusted.. and it has repair parts

now.. all the electronics are gone.. the dash needs to be replaced..

so yeah..

i'm restoring a car

and i;m gettin it for free.. go to my photogallery and see my VW's

-Scott
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Old 01-11-2007, 04:07 AM
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if you want to change from the auto to a manual, you could get a 3.03 3spd for a 6cyl or a V8 but you will need a 6cyl manual bellhousing, and you will need to have a bronze piliot bushing put into the end of the crank snout, the clutch pedal assembly's are easy finds, but you need ALL linkages. check the unibody supports, this car might be too far gone, the way you described it, it has lost a lot of structural integrity and probably is not true sqaure anymore ( rockers gone ), if the unibody supports are rusted and weak, there would be nothing except the roof holding it togther, and if it was bad enough, trying to move the car, could tear it in half.
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Scott, I posted my feelings on your other thread, but I hope you have come to your senses and keep the V-Dubs. I'll bet the guy you're planning to trade with is frothing at the mouth to get them.
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Scott, I posted my feelings on your other thread, but I hope you have come to your senses and keep the V-Dubs. I'll bet the guy you're planning to trade with is frothing at the mouth to get them.

oh yeah.. brent probally by now has a whole ocean full of drool and his jaw polly hurts b/c its been draggin the ground since last night
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