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49willard 03-25-2013 05:29 PM

imported square weave wool carpet
 
Has anyone had any success forming the older style imported square weave wool carpet? This type of carpet was used in 60's and 70's Mercedes and BMW's. I want to use it in my 49 Ford truck on the floor and interior surface of the firewall. The truck has a fairly low transmission cover (2 inch maximum height above an otherwise flat floor) and the firewall is indented about the same amount.

DanTwoLakes 03-26-2013 07:31 AM

You shouldn't have any problem getting the carpet to conform to the floor or the firewall.

John long 03-26-2013 08:03 AM

You can take a heat gun and a mallet and form plastic backed carpet to certain shapes and avoid sewing some seams. It has been my experience that a woven back carpet will have to be cut and sewn. It is not able to stretch in such a way to allow it to be formed.

Dan is the expert here. I am just sharing my experiences.

John L

49willard 03-27-2013 04:58 AM

Thanks for the responses. The imported square weave carpet is not plastic, foam or rubber backed it is a woven back with a tight low loop. I seem to remember installing it in a 38 ford Woodie that I restored in the 80's. It had a wrinkle in the flat floor section just behind the transmission cover. I am beginning to think it is either a different carpet or multi piece the floor and firewall. I would have procured the square weave from either Lebaron Bonney or Bill Hirsh. Does anyone have recommended sources in New England for quality auto carpet or types/brands of carpet to purchase?

DanTwoLakes 03-27-2013 07:26 AM

Worst case scenario is that you have to put in a separate piece of carpet over the trans tunnel and butt another piece of carpet up to the tunnel. If the floor is relatively flat there should be no problem doing it in one piece. Here's a place in Newark, NJ, but I'm sure they're very expensive. Square Weave Carpet Be prepared for some sticker shock, the lowest price I've seen for wool square weave carpet is $80 a yard, and I haven't looked for any in a while.

John long 03-27-2013 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 49willard (Post 1660773)
Thanks for the responses. The imported square weave carpet is not plastic, foam or rubber backed it is a woven back with a tight low loop. I seem to remember installing it in a 38 ford Woodie that I restored in the 80's. It had a wrinkle in the flat floor section just behind the transmission cover. I am beginning to think it is either a different carpet or multi piece the floor and firewall. I would have procured the square weave from either Lebaron Bonney or Bill Hirsh. Does anyone have recommended sources in New England for quality auto carpet or types/brands of carpet to purchase?

The picture below is of my car with German square weave carpet. I did purchase mine from Bill Hirsch and have been pleased with it.

As you can see from the picture of my car, it is cut and sewn. I do not think you are going to form it at all.

John L

http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/...t/dea8bdee.jpg

49willard 03-27-2013 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by John long (Post 1660821)
The picture below is of my car with German square weave carpet. I did purchase mine from Bill Hirsch and have been pleased with it.

As you can see from the picture of my car, it is cut and sewn. I do not think you are going to form it at all.

John L

http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/...t/dea8bdee.jpg

Thanks for your response. Are the floor mat sections in the photo separate pieces or are they sewn together into a basically single mat?

DanTwoLakes 03-27-2013 01:21 PM

John is right about his car, but if the trans tunnel in your truck is two inches high and is the same height front to back, or at least until the tunnel is under the seat, you can do it with one piece of carpet.

I don't know for sure, but I would say that with the binding on the edges of the carpet next to the tunnel, the floor areas are just butted to the tunnel. It may be sewn together, but it wouldn't need to be.

John long 03-27-2013 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DanTwoLakes (Post 1660873)
John is right about his car, but if the trans tunnel in your truck is two inches high and is the same height front to back, or at least until the tunnel is under the seat, you can do it with one piece of carpet.

I don't know for sure, but I would say that with the binding on the edges of the carpet next to the tunnel, the floor areas are just butted to the tunnel. It may be sewn together, but it wouldn't need to be.

Dan is correct. Mine is separate pieces. I glued it lightly so it would not crawl. I also used a closed cell foam as insulation.

John L

49willard 03-27-2013 07:44 PM

John and Dan, Thank you both for your posts. Given the tunnel shape which slopes down from the firewall to the seat and your input I am going to do my carpet similar to what John has done.

DanTwoLakes 03-28-2013 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by John long (Post 1660970)
Dan is correct. Mine is separate pieces. I glued it lightly so it would not crawl. I also used a closed cell foam as insulation.

John L

That's exactly how I do carpet in those situations, but I use a different insulation. I use a product from Thermozite that has no foil on it. It is about 5/16" thick and 36" wide and is very pliable. Wool carpet is great. It wears like iron and is naturally resistant to a lot of things. I just ordered a pre-formed carpet set for a '47 Olds from one of my suppliers, and it was only $585. It's not square weave, but it is all wool. I thought that was very reasonable. BTW John, was that V-8 medallion original to the car's dash or did you add it?

John long 03-28-2013 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DanTwoLakes (Post 1661094)
That's exactly how I do carpet in those situations, but I use a different insulation. I use a product from Thermozite that has no foil on it. It is about 5/16" thick and 36" wide and is very pliable. Wool carpet is great. It wears like iron and is naturally resistant to a lot of things. I just ordered a pre-formed carpet set for a '47 Olds from one of my suppliers, and it was only $585. It's not square weave, but it is all wool. I thought that was very reasonable. BTW John, was that V-8 medallion original to the car's dash or did you add it?

That is pretty cool Dan. I did not even know anyone was formong carpet for anything that old.

The Medallion was given to me at a cruise in a couple of years ago and I just stuck it on. The origional dash had a small glove box but since the origional dash is totaly unique to a roadster or phaeton I hammer formed one out of 18 or 20 guage steel. My car was RH drive at birth so I had to do something. They make a reproduction dash in fiberglass but I did not want to have tell people it was all steel except th dash. Hopefully the stainless trim and emblem balance the dash out some. The emblem is off some type of newer Ford but I honestly don't know what.

BTW. Is the Thermozite something that can be ordered easily? It sounds like a great product.

John L

DanTwoLakes 03-28-2013 03:15 PM

Unfortunately, that Thermozite product was discontinued. I still have a large roll of it that is going in my '48 Chevy 5-window coupe. I have another '48 Chevy coming in that needs carpet and I might use it on that too, but I'm not sure. BTW, I stitched that V-8 emblem into a motorcycle seat for a customer. I don't know why he wanted the Ford emblem on his Harley, but it did look good. I think the one on your dash looks terrific.

sedanbob 03-28-2013 07:42 PM

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Dan, I just put a similar symbol on my air cleaner to dress it up a bit. I bought it at the Bob Drake booth at the NSRA Nationals, intending to put it on my grille. Unfortunately, the mounting pins are centered, and so is the center bar on my grille so it wouldn't mount up where I wanted it. I considered putting it on the dash, just like John L did.

DanTwoLakes 03-28-2013 10:24 PM

That looks great there also, Bob.


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