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This looks up to date.
http://www.otpco.com/SaveEnergyMoney...nergyUsage.asp

Notice the difference in a CRT television a LCD tv and a Plasma tv

Tesla makes an all electric car. Credit car readers are not so exspensive that one couldnt be put on a parking meter along with an electrical outlet.
Ken ya diggit.
I know the electricity has to come from somewhere and an electric car isnt for everyone. But they dont pollute especially when at stop light like a combustion engine. That would work nicely in places like New york for instance where there are stop lights every block, practically
Hydroelectric plants emit no pollutants (there is still an environmental impact)
Coal does but it can pollute less and the stuff that does go out would be easier to control than trying to control pollutants in an individual basis like the combustion engine for instance.
Like oldred said, not any one thing can fix this, but an intelligent combination of many things can solve our issues.
We need to see more affordable solutions, chances are people like us on this forum are more likely to create than a bunch of lobbyists who are looking to protect there corporate interests, and there own meaningless jobs

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I know it was a Republican bill which he was very sorry for and is now trying to get it revered.

And yet you put the blame on Liberals???
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Only if:G-D it's AMERICA.....Don't I have a choice or is up to the liberals to make all my decisions?

No actually you don't have a choice to do just anything you like and when it involves everyone else then there must be regulations whether we like it or not! The fact is when it comes to resources like gas for our cars and energy for our homes, since it affects the monthly costs for everyone , a person does not have a god given right to just waste as much as he likes since in the end we all pay for it. Every time we stop at the gas pumps those of us drive a fuel efficient car still have to subsidize the people who insist on driving gas guzzlers. If those things were not so popular then gas demand would not be so high and prices would follow accordingly. I seriously doubt most people will accept that but it's a fact, the oil companies have the supply and demand thing down to a fine art and the proof is that every time gas consumption drops due to price increases so do the prices at the pump. It's basic laws of supply and demand, when the price is so high it hurts the profit margin then prices will come down and if we cut our over-all consumption by 30% which we could easily do then we would pay less for fuel, prices would fall in an effort to stimulate consumption and history has proven that time after time.
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And yet you put the blame on Liberals???
Some republicans are liberals and die hard liberals take the ball and run with it.
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This looks up to date.
http://www.otpco.com/SaveEnergyMoney...nergyUsage.asp

Notice the difference in a CRT television a LCD tv and a Plasma tv

Tesla makes an all electric car. Credit car readers are not so exspensive that one couldnt be put on a parking meter along with an electrical outlet.
Ken ya diggit.
I know the electricity has to come from somewhere and an electric car isnt for everyone. But they dont pollute especially when at stop light like a combustion engine. That would work nicely in places like New york for instance where there are stop lights every block, practically
Hydroelectric plants emit no pollutants (there is still an environmental impact)
Coal does but it can pollute less and the stuff that does go out would be easier to control than trying to control pollutants in an individual basis like the combustion engine for instance.
Like oldred said, not any one thing can fix this, but an intelligent combination of many things can solve our issues.
We need to see more affordable solutions, chances are people like us on this forum are more likely to create than a bunch of lobbyists who are looking to protect there corporate interests, and there own meaningless jobs
In my first post, the electric car will have difficulty in the current road environment. To make the platform really work we need to think outside the box and develop communities for them, around them.
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No actually you don't have a choice to do just anything you like and when it involves everyone else then there must be regulations whether we like it or not! The fact is when it comes to resources like gas for our cars and energy for our homes, since it affects the monthly costs for everyone , a person does not have a god given right to just waste as much as he likes since in the end we all pay for it. Every time we stop at the gas pumps those of us drive a fuel efficient car still have to subsidize the people who insist on driving gas guzzlers. If those things were not so popular then gas demand would not be so high and prices would follow accordingly. I seriously doubt most people will accept that but it's a fact, the oil companies have the supply and demand thing down to a fine art and the proof is that every time gas consumption drops due to price increases so do the prices at the pump. It's basic laws of supply and demand, when the price is so high it hurts the profit margin then prices will come down and if we cut our over-all consumption by 30% which we could easily do then we would pay less for fuel, prices would fall in an effort to stimulate consumption and history has proven that time after time.
Well electric companies love championing lightbulb mandate laws. It doesn't real do much over all so it doesn't hurt their bottom line but it makes people think they are doing something.

Companies which use a lot of light, manufacturing, stores, etc have been using florescent since they were affordable. We put high energy florescent in the laser shop because of it. Anyone watching the bottom line was already doing it for the last 50 years. Target didn't need a mandate. The tungsten bulb survived in the house because it's impact is negligible and the light is better but.....America is slipping away.
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In my first post, the electric car will have difficulty in the current road environment. To make the platform really work we need to think outside the box and develop communities for them, around them.
Your thinking is quite positive,But the tesla can go 125 mph has a range of 250 miles on a single charge and does 0-60- in like under 4 seconds... Yah.
We do need to work on the community part.The road environment will take careof itself.
Teslas are pricey and they sold out to toyota I heard. Originally they were going to build the sports version and use the profits to build a minivan that would be a soccer mom car, good thinking.I think part of the problem is not many people think about the issue in depth as we have here at hotrodders. I truly believe that.
The community part would be a parking meter with a electrical outlet and a credit card or E Z pass transponder on it.You can put that anywhere.Also plugging in and charging at night (off peak) makes so much sense
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They are pricey, but they are cool.
http://www.teslamotors.com/
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And getting back to the topic... lighting is probably 20% or less of the consumption in the home. Refrigerators , electric stoves, AC units and fresh water pumps use most of it. Your plasma TV is an energy hog. LCD is cheaper than CRT ( cathode ray tube ( regular television)) and plasma
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I wonder how long it will take someone to start manufacturing 95 watt light bulbs LOL. They will be ok untill 2014
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...America is slipping away.

America is not necessarily slipping away but we are becoming so populated that a lot of things we took for granted for so many years are starting to spread thin and it is going to get worse, your rights end when what you decide to do affects your neighbor and that's why we must have regulations. If a person does not like the way things are then VOTE because it's the people who we send to office that will decide, it's definitely not perfect and our selection may not be all that good but it beats chaos and that's what you get when everyone thinks they can do anything they like regardless of the consequences to others.


Hey mods this has gotten WAAAAY past a tool discussion, could we move it to the lounge maybe so we can continue?
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Your thinking is quite positive,But the tesla can go 125 mph has a range of 250 miles on a single charge and does 0-60- in like under 4 seconds... Yah.
We do need to work on the community part.The road environment will take careof itself.
Teslas are pricey and they sold out to toyota I heard. Originally they were going to build the sports version and use the profits to build a minivan that would be a soccer mom car, good thinking.I think part of the problem is not many people think about the issue in depth as we have here at hotrodders. I truly believe that.
The community part would be a parking meter with a electrical outlet and a credit card or E Z pass transponder on it.You can put that anywhere.Also plugging in and charging at night (off peak) makes so much sense
There are still a lot of subtle issues. Until they can be substituted for SUV sized cars, they are not very desirable. Roads we have are much more comfortable in substantial sized cars. It doesn't mean small cars are not out there. I have a little V6 MGB but I prefer to avoid busy areas or areas with a lot of large trucks.

This is why I think we need to turn to the community. With the right community you could use small cars on the inside and large cars on the outside. Many rural counties are allowing golf carts and 4-wheelers on the road. I am afraid it is getting a lot of people killed because the roads are not designed for them.

Like anything else electric cars will take time. Look what we have done in the last 50 years; think what we can do with the next if we don't legislate our self into poverty. I think the real revolution is going to be with some sort of capacitor over batteries. There are still a lot of issues with batteries.

A light bulb; a piece of glass with a piece of wire in it. It is something which represents the foundation of industry in this country. If they can legislate that away, there is NOTHING to stop legislators from crushing these old cars we play with "in the name of what is good for the common public!"
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America is not necessarily slipping away but we are becoming so populated that a lot of things we took for granted for so many years are starting to spread thin and it is going to get worse, your rights end when what you decide to do affects your neighbor and that's why we must have regulations. If a person does not like the way things are then VOTE because it's the people who we send to office that will decide, it's definitely not perfect and our selection may not be all that good but it beats chaos and that's what you get when everyone thinks they can do anything they like regardless of the consequences to others.


Hey mods this has gotten WAAAAY past a tool discussion, could we move it to the lounge maybe so we can continue?
We could split the topic?

Like I said, if our government is so intrusive that they can legislate out a glass bulb and a wire, a device our industry was founded on, there is nothing to keep them from crush any car older than 20 years for the "good of the public!"

You know, every time you fire up a car that does not meet current emissions, with the government devaluing our dollar price of steel has sky rocketed. Just think what we could do for our economy and people if any car older then 20 years was required to be turn in and crushed for scrap! Man that would go a long way for the good of the people!
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America is not necessarily slipping away but we are becoming so populated that a lot of things we took for granted for so many years are starting to spread thin and it is going to get worse, your rights end when what you decide to do affects your neighbor and that's why we must have regulations. If a person does not like the way things are then VOTE because it's the people who we send to office that will decide, it's definitely not perfect and our selection may not be all that good but it beats chaos and that's what you get when everyone thinks they can do anything they like regardless of the consequences to others.
I have compared it to a coke, but as a product I really don't see much of a difference. The electric company sells electricity which we use for light. So we are buying light. When I chose to read at night I want an incandescent bulb; period.

Light is a product which takes energy. So is a Coke; although the energy in a Coke is not as visible. It took farm tractors to burn gas, plant corn, harvest corn, factories to produce the Coke, coal to run the plants, trucks to deliver it, stores to sell it, coal to run all the electricity, etc.

Coke is a product which is largely a byproduct of gas and coal; energy. I sit by my lamp giving off the light I prefer reading a book sipping a coke. If you can legislate my light away and make me be buy a light I don't want, why can't you legislate my coke away? Or ANY other product. I don't see a difference. They all are a product of energy.

Like I said, where it makes a dent such as in businesses which use a lot of lighting, it was already florescent.

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