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Old 04-02-2009, 01:30 PM
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Intakes

ok so im lookin at two intakes and i would like some input from u guys.

k intake one is the Summit SUM-226010 just like the rpm air-gap

intake two is the Edelbrock Performer EPS

just let me know what u guys think oh and its goin on a mild 350 chevy with a SUM-K1105 cam and lifter kit and 4.11 gears and a SUM-G2702-1 Torque Converter.
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Old 04-02-2009, 02:17 PM
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i currently have the exact same cam, from summit i dont like the LSA#'s but it is paired up with a performer RPM, which worked well together untill i took the engine out of the car to change the cam and the heads, good stall, that's a short gear if your running a 3 spd trans unless its a truck, your gonna be turning over 3000 rpm at 60mph with a set of 28" tall tires, but if your set on the cam (its not a bad cam) the airgap, or a performer RPM would be the route i would go, and a 600-650cfm carb should do since you wont be going over 55-5700rpm
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Just a little sidenote... The summit intakes are rebranded from either weiand or edelbrock, so that summit air gap intake IS an edelbrock intake. Its a good way to save a couple bucks.
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Old 04-02-2009, 03:27 PM
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yea the summit is just as good, like he said it's the same thing
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what do u think about the Weiand Stealth for an intake? and what gears do u think i should go with besides the 4.11s it will be a street car. (85 cutlass)
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Old 04-02-2009, 05:01 PM
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stick with the summit airgap intake that you had your eye on, that stealth is the same thing as the summit stg 2/ perf RPM but more expensive than the summit version, i have an 87 camaro Z28 but with the 4spd 700R4, i could go with 4.10's and it still be streetable, your car is slightly heavier than mine cause your in the monte carlo weight class but if you are running a 3spd trans your final gear ratio is 1:1 vs the 700r4 is 0.7:1, what size tire do you plan on running, you wont get taller than a 28-29" to fit stock, what RPM's to you consider aceptable at 60mph, is this a daily vehicle or the weekend cruiser, if it is a daily vehicle i wouldn't go higher than 3.42's but if it is a weekend cruiser you could get away with 3.73's, what size tire are you going to run
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Old 04-02-2009, 05:20 PM
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do you still have the stock transmission in your "cutty" if you do it should be a th2004r, which does have an o/d but wont hold that power AT ALL!!!, i looked but didn't see where the cutty ever had the th700r4 in it, but there was one more option of a th200c, which is the 3spd version of the 2004r, niether will hold 300hp, so im guessing your thinkin of swaping out to a th350 right, for 600-800, if your willing summit has 700r4's that "supposidly" handles 500hp for less than 1300
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Old 04-02-2009, 05:50 PM
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87Z, Most race transmission builders will tell you that the 200R4 is better than the 700R4 when it comes to strength when modified. It is what is used in the Buick Grand National, and many of those guys have modified versions running 9's or faster in the 1/4 mile.

As far as weight, run your Camaro and a G-body(Cutlass, Monte, Regal, Malibu) over to the local agricultural scale or truck stop. You will be shocked to find out that your Camaro is 200-300+ pounds heavier (Don't believe me, do it)
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wow, no i didn't know that the 80's monte's weighed roughly THE SAME, as the 80's camaros , numbers are monte carlo 3139-3385, camaro 3025-3220, i personally know mine with me in it weighs 3429 and im about 220, i did it at our local trash dump a couple of years ago, i have heard that the 2004r can be rebuilt to handle better than the 700r4 but just like with the 700r4 trying to find someone qualified enough to rebuild them is a pain, and will COST you, you might as well buy an aftermarket one or search for one that's already been built by someone who knows what they are doing, then look up how many 2004r's you will find and then how many 700r4's you will find, much easier to find the 700r4's, i know the 700r4 is no racing trans but it is when modified a great street trans, put someone with the same set up and similar weight at the line with me with either a 350/400/200r4 and i will have them in the 1/8 everytime, smaller 1st and 2nd gear, but i know they aren't crap much over 500tq or so, almost no matter how they are built, i was going on the princeable that he still had the stock trans, i could be wrong
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'81 Camaro, all steel w/455 Pont (alum. intake), TH400 and 12 bolt = 3575 lbs. ready to race, me in it, 1/3 tank, front bumper under the bumper cover removed.

Also had different buckets from a MOPAR, lighter.
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i said similar set up!, not big-block which is heavier, that is where your getting your extra weight plus the heavier rearend, and yes when mine gets done i would give you a whirl! when did this trun into a pissin match, and yes if you had a similar hp/ and tq #'s, yes i would likley still have you to the 1/8

th400 1st=2.48:/2nd=1.48:1/3rd=1.0:1
th350 1st=2.74:1/2nd=1.57:1/3rd=1.0:1
th700r4 1st=3.06:1/2nd=1.625:1/3rd=1.0:1/4th=0.7:1\

naturally my engine would run up faster, putting me to my peak tq and peak hp faster than someone with the same setup but a 400 or 350 trans
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you act as if i was downing the 350or 400 trans, that wouldn't be smart considering they have proven them selves on the race track time and time again, i know this, and if i were to be building a strip car i would actually go wil a PG but if not that it would be a 350or 400, but for the street a 4spd is your best bet if you want to run i shorter set of gears
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will the car is a daily driver and it has a th350 in it and the tires r a 60 serise so yea there a go
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i said similar set up
This is given as a real world example FOR COMPARISONS SAKE, do the math and you can figure what it'd weigh with any engine. No one's piss'n but u.
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im sorry cobalt327, i think i read you replay wrong, your weight is right on with a small block weighing about 3400-3450 with you in it and a little gas, then i thought your were irritated by the coment i made about the 700r4 and the typical 3spds to the 1/8, i just re-read it and if im not wrong i think that you may have even been trying to help me prove my point
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