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fleetsidelarry 05-26-2012 08:18 AM

intermediate level gun suggestions
 
I'm a hobbyist doing the body work on my '66 truck and '48 street rod. being a beginner I of course bought HF guns, one of which I used for the primer work. I just used the newest one (the 47016 with 1.4 tip) to do a panel in base/clear and the results were OK, but I think I could do better. I'd like to step up to an intermediate level gun and have been looking at (all with 1.3 tips):

1. DeVilbiss Finishline 3
2. Sharpe Finex 3000
3. Iwata AirGunsa 9230

the Devilbiss comes with a 1 liter cup, the others with .6. it also comes with a regulator. all are in the $120-130 (with shipping) range (I guess this may not constitute "intermediate level", just better than what I have)

I'd appreciate any feedback (including alternatives) you guys care to offer

thanks

jsm1847 05-26-2012 09:37 AM

Whats up man...
I've been shooting with a Finex for over a year now. Now grant it, it's been the touch up gun, but it shoots very well. Cleans very well, handles well. I've held the DeVillbliss and didn't like it...
What I notice about higher line guns is that their cheap stuff is just that. Cheap.
Finex, from what I know, makes mid level guns only.
Just my opinion for what its worth...

Old Fool 05-26-2012 05:27 PM

Finex is Sharpes value line.

deadbodyman 05-26-2012 06:29 PM

Back when I was useing sharps and devilbis they were fantastic every day guns about 150.00 but that was back 20 yrs ago and they were syhpon guns.To this day I can pick up either one of them and spray a paint job every bit as slick as my Sata and Iwata...I've only used one gravity gun in that price range that I liked and it was also a devilbis NOT A FINISH LINE it was blue and it sprayed like a dream I would lean towards the devilbis gun My friend had a finish line and I was impressed at how nice it looked and felt in my hand the trigger had a very nice feel to it also...way better than when they first came out, but I never did spray anything with it, so, Still I always lean toward the devilbis and thats what I would get if it were me...But be carefull the nice thing about the HF gun is ,if you screw up you can always blame it on the cheap gun. You'll loose that getting a better gun...and the flip side is if it comes out nice you can say proudly "and I did it with a HF gun too:......... and to tell you the absolute truth all the differences are only something a pro would notice and you'll think either one is a great gun so dont sweat it get a better gun and love it save that harbor frieght gun though you never know when an emergency will come.I had a car start rolling backwards at the shop and I threw that gun under the tire and it dam near saved someones life...Its always good to have one or two of those around the shop too.

jsm1847 05-26-2012 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Fool
Finex is Sharpes value line.

well,well,well.....what ya know.... Ha ha. Hey I said for what it's worth... In this case not much. But it does shoot good.

Northstar T 05-26-2012 08:10 PM

Finex. I've used others, but always come back to the ol reliable Finex.

Russ

Lizer 05-26-2012 08:14 PM

I shoot with the Finishline for all my primers. I've never shot bc/cc with it yet, nor was I planning on it. However I am probably going to be using it for that as well since I really shouldn't drop $300 on another gun when I've got a new house and 11 acres to pay for.

With that being said, for what I've used it for so far, it's been a very good gun for me (and I've sprayed with very nice Iwata's and Sata's, as well as $40 cheapos). However, I can't say if it's any better or worse than those other guns because I haven't used them. I'm also a hobbyist.

67Elcamino 05-26-2012 08:53 PM

Ive recently played around with the finishline and finex3000. I really like the finex. Bigger fan, better adjustment control, uses less air , better atomization, way easier to clean(less parts) , a lot lighter than the finishline. For some reason I just couldnt get used to the finishline and kept having issues with the spacer inside and making sure it layed flat when installing the tip.

fleetsidelarry 05-27-2012 06:13 AM

thanks for the replies, guys, I appreciate the information. I knew with a question like this there probably wouldn't be any consensus.

Lizer 05-27-2012 06:20 AM

Camino has me interested in that Finex now should I ever need to get another midlevel gun. Sounds like a nice piece. The main reason I went with the Finishline is because it came with three different tip sizes.

novafreek6872 05-27-2012 06:25 AM

larry, you might try the "better" purple gun. Its around $40 and comes with regulator. They use a small amount of oil on the parts when put together so clean it really good first, but no silicone inside like the really cheap purple gun. The good one is #66222 I think.

Its more of a true HVLP as the cheaper one says HVLP but is really just a conventional gravity gun. I used a new one (66222) this morning to spray a hood and cowl. sprays pretty darn slick without a ton of overspray. 35psi with trigger pulled. I'll put a pic up in a little while.

Its definitely night and day over the really cheap version.

Andy

novafreek6872 05-27-2012 08:53 AM

Short video. 1 hour after 3rd coat. As sprayed. $35 gun.

PAINT VIDEO

andy

deadbodyman 05-27-2012 09:12 AM

That Finex sounds like pretty darn good gun with some nice features. I'm changing my mind and think I would buy that one if I needed one...But first I would go to the SPI forum and ask what they (the painters) thought of it....either way you look at it ,it seems like two choices Sharpe and Devilbis.I'm sure both spray great so I would say hold them both in your hand see which one feels most comfortable Hold the gun in all the posistions it'll be in when your painting (how you would be holding it when painting a roof ,Rockers and hood...Then which one is lighter and you really want the big cup..The Sata type cups with the snap on lids are pretty nice if the lid fits nice and tight But a screw on cap really sucks and is a pita...so you also want a big cup with a snap on lid...And A 1.4 tip That's a MUST have....
be sure to concider tip size when comparing guns both guns should be the same
My Sata with the 1.3 is great for spraying base but cant spray clear near as well as my Iwata does with a 1.4 but the Sata with the 1.4 sprays just as good.so if there not both 1.4 tips your comparing you wont be getting the best gun for YOU...A 1.4 tip is the best choice for a tip size that will spray everything well..

fleetsidelarry 05-27-2012 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by novafreek6872
Short video. 1 hour after 3rd coat. As sprayed. $35 gun.

PAINT VIDEO

andy

wow, Andy, if I could get those results I would be extremely happy. One of my HF guns IS an old 43430 that I been using to spray primer (yes, I know now). I didn't use it on the front-of-pickup-bed test panel 'cause I was worried about contamination--I now wish I had tried it.

I noticed that the pressure at the tip with the new gun that I used-the 47016-seemed more like a conventional gun. while marketed as an HVLP, it is not described as such in the instructional materials that came with the gun

novafreek6872 05-27-2012 10:45 AM

hey larry. thanks man. I used 35 psi with the trigger pulled, but its possible it would have sprayed just fine with a bit lower psi. I'm not exactly sure what people like to use with this particular gun. (66222)? Anybody?

With the super cheap HF gun I was using 45psi and getting lots of wasted overspray bouncing off the panels.

If your paint is not coming out as slick as you like, you might try laying the 2nd and 3rd coats on a little heavier. Everyone says to spray the panels like you want them to look...so I hammer it on pretty good. And of course, that increases your chances of getting runs too. Its a razors edge between runs and orange peel for a novice painter. Luck helps alot too.

Thank God for colorsanding and buffing!

Good Luck, whatever gun you wind up using.

andy


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