Its all in the details when building a car
Often times there are cars that catch our eyes, and as we give them the once over there are a few items that nag us, don’t look right, or just look awkward on the car. Little things such as battery placement or pitted chrome can often ruin a whole car and wont gain the builder and the car the respect it should. Looking at the Monte thread started by Shnitz and observing some of the replies I got to think about that when building a hot rods, its not the big picture that counts, but all the little details that make up the big picture. One often wonders why the builder didn’t take a little bit more time spending to fix some things. One hour of remounting the headlights at a better position on an early rod doesn’t cost anything and can make a huge impact on the overall look of the car. Here are a few things that often bother me when looking at quality built cars where the owner didn’t put in the extra effort…
-Battery Placement; you might wonder why this is such a big issue. Well in a lot of cases it isn’t, but in those that it is it makes a world of a difference whether the battery is mounted under the hood or in the trunk. Batteries usually look right at home under the hood of a 60’s muscle car or a 50’s daily driver, but when building an early rod like a T bucket, Model A, Deuce or anything from the 30’s and 40’s, the batter looks clunky and out of place. The main focus in an engine compartment should be the engine (its called engine compartment not battery compartment). In early cars there wasn’t a whole lot of space to begin with under the hood, and the engines residing in there were usually smaller or narrower than the V8 blocks rodders shove in them now. Placing the battery in the engine compartment draws a lot of attention to the big black plastic brick with red caps on top. You sacrifice a clean simple look by mounting your battery there. Hoodless cars or cars with no hoodsides should definitely place their batteries in the trunk. You can easily loose a few thousand dollars in resale value if placing the battery beside the engine. By mounting the battery under your floorboards or in the trunk you get better weight distribution, and its still just as easily to access. It doesn’t cost a whole bunch of money to move your battery to a hidden spot, but it’ll sure cost you a lot more money if you don’t (when its time to sell).
-Headlight placement; this particular one only pertains to early rods where the headlights were not moulded into the body already. If you have a rod with a suicide front end or a simple spring-over-axel straight axel up front, and if you hopefully painted or chromed the spring/axel/drums you want to show it off a little. There’s nothing cooler than a clean mean looking front end (after all, that’s what the people will see in their rear-view mirrors before you blow by them). By placing the headlights low you bring the attention towards your slick looking axel setup. The trick here is, not too low, not too high. I saw a model A coupe with the headlights practically scraping the ground, as they were mounted ON the axel. Obviously going that route is nothing short of radical and you might look like a fool. Some people mount their headlights way high, so that they almost level off with the top of their grille shell. This looks rather goofy unless you’re building a 4x4 with plenty of fog lights and high beam headlights. Headlights look the best mounted between the bottom of the grille shell and the middle of the grille shell. Play around a little before you make your headlight brackets, get someone to hold them on at different heights before you settle on the look you’re after. And even if you change your mind after they’re all mounted, building new brackets is just a matter or shortening the ones you have or making new ones out of scrap steel. Spending one hour more redoing the headlights can completely change the look of your car and keep your resale value.
-Grille Shell placement; this is a tough one. From what I’ve seen, grille shells look best if they’re mounted no further out than your front axel. This one only applies to early rods once again. I’ve seen model A’s with the shell mounted a good 4 inches further out than the axe. It looks like you slammed on the front brakes so hard that the whole car shifter forwards on the frame and your axel stayed behind. Flashy 80’s T-buckets had a problem with this one. Their suicide front end was so far out and their engine stayed back, that they mounted their radiator close to the engine, or halfway between engine and axel. The close to the engine look worked fine, while the other look ended up kind of goofy. The radiator hose was usually rather long to reach the engine far back and the grille shell looks out of place and lonely. People have tried sitting Model A’s and T’s on S10 frames, ending up with the grille shell way out past the wheels. Can you say ugly? However, if independent front suspension is used, or an Indy car style setup is made, the grille shell should be place right in front of the wheel centerline to hide the whole mess.
Another important aspect of mounting the shell is the height. The top of the shell should be no higher than the highest point on your cowl (usually in the center). Either by sectioning the shell or simply mounting it lower, a very goofy look can be avoided. Again, sectioning costs free and it isn’t too hard to do. Neither is mounting it lower and making new brackets.
-Messy Wiring; I’ve seen many nice rods where I have been impressed with until I looked at the interior and saw wires hanging down from underneath the dash. This gives the impression that the job was rushed and not very well thought out, and it practically ruins the whole flow of the interior. And guess what, it costs nothing to fix. Organizing the wiring or using tape to aid in running the wires along the body rather than from the controls directly through the firewall with 3 feet of slack in between takes very little time but will save you lots of nasty comments from fellow rodders and lots of money when it comes to resale.
-Unorganized Plug wires; I cant believe how many times I’ve seen a nice car with a total mess under the hood when it came to the plug wires. It really only takes 5 minutes and a few bucks to buy one of them fancy plug wire holder that bolts on with your valve cover and keep the wires running straight to their plug. And if you cant afford that, even zip ties will do. Anything but 8 wires laying all over your engine that you spent so much time rebuilding and painting that you’d like to show off.
-Mismatched steering wheels; Seems like lately I’ve seen a lot of cars with modern steering columns stolen out of 80’s vans and cars. This is fine and dandy, however many people keep the steering wheels that came on them. Definitely a smack in the face when admiring a nicely built rod. A new steering wheel runs for about $60, or even cheaper if you get a simple 3 spoke design, which is still a heck of a lot classier and better than a cheesy 80’s wheel. Also, when picking a steering wheel make sure if fits the car you built. If the car is rather simple with not a lot of billet or flash appeal, of built with a very traditional flare, then the original steering wheel painted to match the body color will do just fine, rather than getting a billet flame cut-out wheel. Remember, you want to keep your hot rod flowing with one theme, you’re not building a Zoo with lots of different breeds. Keep one theme throughout the car and try to keep a consistent flow. Often times something such small as a steering wheel can ruin the flow.
-Modern stereos; they’re handy when building a hot rod, specially when built for everyday driving or long cruises. However, CD players, modern radios, or satellite radio devices are often incorporated in anything but a smooth fashion. Sometimes a bulky new stereo will stick out from a nicely painted dashboard, and totally ruin the nice flow of the dash board. Newer stereos often have funky bright colours on display and just don’t look right in an old time hot rod. There are plenty ways of mounting these stereos while still keeping the hot rod feel to the car, and not look like a goofy Lincoln with all the bells and whistles (unless that’s what you’re going for). Mounting the stereo in the glove box is a great idea, or getting an under-dash Stereo bracket for $5 works great too. This way you don’t have to cut up the vintage dashboard and its not in plain sight as much. Some people have mounted them under their seat, using the remote controller that comes with many new stereos to change tracks, volume etc. Others have frenched them into the dashboard with a neat panel covering them that can be flipped up to access the stereo. Some have mounted them overhead on the headliner (by fabbing up a console of some sort), this works nicely too. Some old cars have a “grille” on the dashboard too, or a heater grill as well. Modern speakers can be hidden behind these, as well as behind the seat in a coupe or truck cab, and even behind the kick panels or door panels. Too much new flash doesn’t look right on a hot rod. Again, mounting a stereo in a different position doesn’t cost too much money (if any) or time, and it’ll sure help when it comes to reselling your creation.
-Wheel Backspacing; I know what you’re thinking, minimal detail right? Many cars have the wrong backspacing, and it shows. It makes the whole car look off somehow. Ordering the right backspacing costs just as much as ordering the wrong one. There should be no excuse for this one.
It’s all in the details when selling a car
No matter how awesome or mind blowing, or ingenious your car is, it wont sell for the amount it should if you don’t put your part in. Here’s a few details sellers often overlook…
-Polishing; go the extra mile and polish all your chrome and wheels on your rod before you have a potential seller take a look at it, or before taking pictures for an add. This is not cheating, just freshening up the car. You’re not hiding anything.
-Washing; same as above. Wash your car before you put it on the market. You wanna show your best.
-Take lots of pictures; and by that I mean LOTS. Pay the extra fee on eBay for additional pictures and give the buyer details. At least one clear shot of the front, back, interior, side, engine, trunk and underside should be provided. In addition to that, any more close-ups of parts used and neat features will go a long way when selling a car.
-Be Honest; honesty is always the best policy. If you have rust spots, state them and take close-up pictures. If you have leaks, do the same. Provide the buyer with receipts of repair or build materials/parts. If you lie in your add, and then someone comes to check out your car and notices that your add played up your car to be something its not, he’ll more than likely leave even though he likes your car. If you like about small things like “car has no rust”, who knows if you’re lying about the inner components of your engine and the tranny rebuild.
-Stick to the important stuff when placing an add. Nobody cares if you used a high-nickel content block, or if you used Summit Chrome accessories. The pictures will tell them that the engine has chrome valve covers and a chrome air cleaner. Rather, state the important parts that make up your car. Nobody cares what brand the aftermarket headliner is, or what kind of shift knob it has. If you have to rely on the valve covers and shifter to save your butt, don’t expect too much $$$.
Now I might’ve missed lots of things, but these are my thoughts and observations. Obviously this doesn’t apply to every car or rod. I'm not saying that’s the way you should build it. I'm saying build it the way you want to, but don’t complain when it doesn’t bring in as much money as it cost to build. These are all very little details that cost little (if any at all) money and time and make or break your rod. Feel free to correct me, as anything is relative and subjective. These are mere thoughts and observations, and nothing’s set in stone.
Mike
Often times there are cars that catch our eyes, and as we give them the once over there are a few items that nag us, don’t look right, or just look awkward on the car. Little things such as battery placement or pitted chrome can often ruin a whole car and wont gain the builder and the car the respect it should. Looking at the Monte thread started by Shnitz and observing some of the replies I got to think about that when building a hot rods, its not the big picture that counts, but all the little details that make up the big picture. One often wonders why the builder didn’t take a little bit more time spending to fix some things. One hour of remounting the headlights at a better position on an early rod doesn’t cost anything and can make a huge impact on the overall look of the car. Here are a few things that often bother me when looking at quality built cars where the owner didn’t put in the extra effort…
-Battery Placement; you might wonder why this is such a big issue. Well in a lot of cases it isn’t, but in those that it is it makes a world of a difference whether the battery is mounted under the hood or in the trunk. Batteries usually look right at home under the hood of a 60’s muscle car or a 50’s daily driver, but when building an early rod like a T bucket, Model A, Deuce or anything from the 30’s and 40’s, the batter looks clunky and out of place. The main focus in an engine compartment should be the engine (its called engine compartment not battery compartment). In early cars there wasn’t a whole lot of space to begin with under the hood, and the engines residing in there were usually smaller or narrower than the V8 blocks rodders shove in them now. Placing the battery in the engine compartment draws a lot of attention to the big black plastic brick with red caps on top. You sacrifice a clean simple look by mounting your battery there. Hoodless cars or cars with no hoodsides should definitely place their batteries in the trunk. You can easily loose a few thousand dollars in resale value if placing the battery beside the engine. By mounting the battery under your floorboards or in the trunk you get better weight distribution, and its still just as easily to access. It doesn’t cost a whole bunch of money to move your battery to a hidden spot, but it’ll sure cost you a lot more money if you don’t (when its time to sell).
-Headlight placement; this particular one only pertains to early rods where the headlights were not moulded into the body already. If you have a rod with a suicide front end or a simple spring-over-axel straight axel up front, and if you hopefully painted or chromed the spring/axel/drums you want to show it off a little. There’s nothing cooler than a clean mean looking front end (after all, that’s what the people will see in their rear-view mirrors before you blow by them). By placing the headlights low you bring the attention towards your slick looking axel setup. The trick here is, not too low, not too high. I saw a model A coupe with the headlights practically scraping the ground, as they were mounted ON the axel. Obviously going that route is nothing short of radical and you might look like a fool. Some people mount their headlights way high, so that they almost level off with the top of their grille shell. This looks rather goofy unless you’re building a 4x4 with plenty of fog lights and high beam headlights. Headlights look the best mounted between the bottom of the grille shell and the middle of the grille shell. Play around a little before you make your headlight brackets, get someone to hold them on at different heights before you settle on the look you’re after. And even if you change your mind after they’re all mounted, building new brackets is just a matter or shortening the ones you have or making new ones out of scrap steel. Spending one hour more redoing the headlights can completely change the look of your car and keep your resale value.
-Grille Shell placement; this is a tough one. From what I’ve seen, grille shells look best if they’re mounted no further out than your front axel. This one only applies to early rods once again. I’ve seen model A’s with the shell mounted a good 4 inches further out than the axe. It looks like you slammed on the front brakes so hard that the whole car shifter forwards on the frame and your axel stayed behind. Flashy 80’s T-buckets had a problem with this one. Their suicide front end was so far out and their engine stayed back, that they mounted their radiator close to the engine, or halfway between engine and axel. The close to the engine look worked fine, while the other look ended up kind of goofy. The radiator hose was usually rather long to reach the engine far back and the grille shell looks out of place and lonely. People have tried sitting Model A’s and T’s on S10 frames, ending up with the grille shell way out past the wheels. Can you say ugly? However, if independent front suspension is used, or an Indy car style setup is made, the grille shell should be place right in front of the wheel centerline to hide the whole mess.
Another important aspect of mounting the shell is the height. The top of the shell should be no higher than the highest point on your cowl (usually in the center). Either by sectioning the shell or simply mounting it lower, a very goofy look can be avoided. Again, sectioning costs free and it isn’t too hard to do. Neither is mounting it lower and making new brackets.
-Messy Wiring; I’ve seen many nice rods where I have been impressed with until I looked at the interior and saw wires hanging down from underneath the dash. This gives the impression that the job was rushed and not very well thought out, and it practically ruins the whole flow of the interior. And guess what, it costs nothing to fix. Organizing the wiring or using tape to aid in running the wires along the body rather than from the controls directly through the firewall with 3 feet of slack in between takes very little time but will save you lots of nasty comments from fellow rodders and lots of money when it comes to resale.
-Unorganized Plug wires; I cant believe how many times I’ve seen a nice car with a total mess under the hood when it came to the plug wires. It really only takes 5 minutes and a few bucks to buy one of them fancy plug wire holder that bolts on with your valve cover and keep the wires running straight to their plug. And if you cant afford that, even zip ties will do. Anything but 8 wires laying all over your engine that you spent so much time rebuilding and painting that you’d like to show off.
-Mismatched steering wheels; Seems like lately I’ve seen a lot of cars with modern steering columns stolen out of 80’s vans and cars. This is fine and dandy, however many people keep the steering wheels that came on them. Definitely a smack in the face when admiring a nicely built rod. A new steering wheel runs for about $60, or even cheaper if you get a simple 3 spoke design, which is still a heck of a lot classier and better than a cheesy 80’s wheel. Also, when picking a steering wheel make sure if fits the car you built. If the car is rather simple with not a lot of billet or flash appeal, of built with a very traditional flare, then the original steering wheel painted to match the body color will do just fine, rather than getting a billet flame cut-out wheel. Remember, you want to keep your hot rod flowing with one theme, you’re not building a Zoo with lots of different breeds. Keep one theme throughout the car and try to keep a consistent flow. Often times something such small as a steering wheel can ruin the flow.
-Modern stereos; they’re handy when building a hot rod, specially when built for everyday driving or long cruises. However, CD players, modern radios, or satellite radio devices are often incorporated in anything but a smooth fashion. Sometimes a bulky new stereo will stick out from a nicely painted dashboard, and totally ruin the nice flow of the dash board. Newer stereos often have funky bright colours on display and just don’t look right in an old time hot rod. There are plenty ways of mounting these stereos while still keeping the hot rod feel to the car, and not look like a goofy Lincoln with all the bells and whistles (unless that’s what you’re going for). Mounting the stereo in the glove box is a great idea, or getting an under-dash Stereo bracket for $5 works great too. This way you don’t have to cut up the vintage dashboard and its not in plain sight as much. Some people have mounted them under their seat, using the remote controller that comes with many new stereos to change tracks, volume etc. Others have frenched them into the dashboard with a neat panel covering them that can be flipped up to access the stereo. Some have mounted them overhead on the headliner (by fabbing up a console of some sort), this works nicely too. Some old cars have a “grille” on the dashboard too, or a heater grill as well. Modern speakers can be hidden behind these, as well as behind the seat in a coupe or truck cab, and even behind the kick panels or door panels. Too much new flash doesn’t look right on a hot rod. Again, mounting a stereo in a different position doesn’t cost too much money (if any) or time, and it’ll sure help when it comes to reselling your creation.
-Wheel Backspacing; I know what you’re thinking, minimal detail right? Many cars have the wrong backspacing, and it shows. It makes the whole car look off somehow. Ordering the right backspacing costs just as much as ordering the wrong one. There should be no excuse for this one.
It’s all in the details when selling a car
No matter how awesome or mind blowing, or ingenious your car is, it wont sell for the amount it should if you don’t put your part in. Here’s a few details sellers often overlook…
-Polishing; go the extra mile and polish all your chrome and wheels on your rod before you have a potential seller take a look at it, or before taking pictures for an add. This is not cheating, just freshening up the car. You’re not hiding anything.
-Washing; same as above. Wash your car before you put it on the market. You wanna show your best.
-Take lots of pictures; and by that I mean LOTS. Pay the extra fee on eBay for additional pictures and give the buyer details. At least one clear shot of the front, back, interior, side, engine, trunk and underside should be provided. In addition to that, any more close-ups of parts used and neat features will go a long way when selling a car.
-Be Honest; honesty is always the best policy. If you have rust spots, state them and take close-up pictures. If you have leaks, do the same. Provide the buyer with receipts of repair or build materials/parts. If you lie in your add, and then someone comes to check out your car and notices that your add played up your car to be something its not, he’ll more than likely leave even though he likes your car. If you like about small things like “car has no rust”, who knows if you’re lying about the inner components of your engine and the tranny rebuild.
-Stick to the important stuff when placing an add. Nobody cares if you used a high-nickel content block, or if you used Summit Chrome accessories. The pictures will tell them that the engine has chrome valve covers and a chrome air cleaner. Rather, state the important parts that make up your car. Nobody cares what brand the aftermarket headliner is, or what kind of shift knob it has. If you have to rely on the valve covers and shifter to save your butt, don’t expect too much $$$.
Now I might’ve missed lots of things, but these are my thoughts and observations. Obviously this doesn’t apply to every car or rod. I'm not saying that’s the way you should build it. I'm saying build it the way you want to, but don’t complain when it doesn’t bring in as much money as it cost to build. These are all very little details that cost little (if any at all) money and time and make or break your rod. Feel free to correct me, as anything is relative and subjective. These are mere thoughts and observations, and nothing’s set in stone.
Mike