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IwataLH400copy / lvlp gun on Ebay

The Ebay lvlp guns claims Op. Pressure: 10 - 45 PSI, Air Consumption: 3.0 - 3.9 CFM ,this looks like a small compressor will supply it.Will this gun really operate with a small air supply ? > Do you guys still think the Ebay knock off is OK?<
I'm going to paint one car and if it's slow I can live with it.As soon as it gets warmer I want to strip the car bit by bit and put it in epoxy and paint it later. I need a lp gun for primer now.I could use an old Binks. Cisco

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I know, I'm resurecting the dead here!

I'm looking for an inexpensive but servicable gun to paint the front clip we're putting on our truck. At this point I'm not really looking for a top quality gun as I don't think I'll be using it too much (I HATE sanding and unfortunately body work tends to require you to do that . . . of course I've got kids now, that's where the "& son" in "father & son project" comes in, isn't it? )

I've seen some like the Harbor Freight Purple Gun for an inexpensive gun, but it sounds like this knock off was OK for the money too. Unfortunately I'm not sure exactly which gun this one is - "TuulShed" on eBay has a few similar guns for sale . . . could someone give me an item number or something so I know exactly which gun this one would be?

Thanks!

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Old 09-29-2007, 04:11 PM
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hf purple gun

i own the hf purple hvlp gun,it does a fantastic job on spraying dp 40 primer,very little orange peel,and it didnt use much air.
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i own the hf purple hvlp gun,it does a fantastic job on spraying dp 40 primer,very little orange peel,and it didnt use much air.
That's great to know!

I may pick one of the purple ones up. I actually wouldn't mind picking up two guns - one for primer and one for color, so I'm still curious about the gun that started this thread.

Thanks again for your input!

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the purple HVHP harbor freight gun put an excellent paint job on my 62. it beats the hell out of my old binks 69.

the prob with most paint jobs is not the gun but operator error and not mixing the paint properly.
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I have two of those HF "purple" guns that I bought a couple of years ago and they do a great job, for the price I don't think you can go wrong. I have an IWATA now but I still use my HF guns sometimes and if I lost them I would not hesitate to buy a couple more.
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I have the ebay zhipp gun, model w400 with 1.5. I don't think its too bad a gun when you consider the cost, 30 to 40 bucks, throw away when it breaks. I just used it to spray epoxy today, and it sprayed it pretty well, once I reduced it down enough. I didn't want to dirty up the iwata, plan on running mostly clear through that and no primers.
I don't see it offered on ebay anymore. Its now demoted to use as a low vicosity primer gun for me, as I had a pretty good base gun, and bought the real deal iwata lph gun for clear, the cheap gun was really to get me buy till I could get a good gun, since the conventionals I had been using for years are ready for the scrap heap. I'll probably use the zhipp till it breaks, or something else replaces it, or in emergencys.
Bondos w400 copy is made by astro I believe. This is likely a better gun then the ebay or harbor freight gun, I haven't used either. A lot of people seem to like the astro evo guns too, which is around a $100 gun I believe.

Its generally recommended to get the best gun you can afford when learning so you don't have the guns deficiencies holding you back, but I personally did get by okay with my conventionals and lower cost guns for awhile, but they won't perform like a high dollar gun or have the material savings the best guns have. The cheap guns you have to dump more material on to get to lay out well. I know its hard to spend several hundred dollars on a gun, but after a few jobs spraying, a good gun should pay for itself. I know the material saving and ease of spraying metallics my hvlp base gun I've had for years had over the old conventinal I was using before had me wondering why I didn't buy it sooner.
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I also have W400 Zhipp gun. I am currently using it to spray DAP Landau top adhesive while doing my interior work. I lays that stuff down pretty well.

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Hi Guys,

Thanks for all the replies. Unfortunately it looks like this gun is no longer available so I think I'll go for the Harbor Freight Purple guns (unless anyone has any other suggestions - if so please speak up! (I would spend a little more if need be to get a servicable gun), we'll probably get two so we have a primer and color gun.

I know they aren't the best guns but we just can't justify hundreds of dollars on a gun to just shoot a front clip - we inheireted my father's truck and my son crashed it. He feels terrible and he wants to repair it but we only had liability insurance on it and it's not worth paying a body shop so we're stuck doing it ourselves. It doesn't have to be perfect and the truck is white so I don't think it will be too hard to get it presentable, even with a cheap gun.

Though the crash is an unfortunate event, it has so far made a good father & son project. Hopefully we can make the replacement panels look presentable so my son gets a decent reward/reinforcement for the effort he's put out!

Thanks again - I appreciate hearing from people who've "been there and done that"!!!

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I think it is something like spray gun world that had package of two astro evo lvlp guns, one with 1.4 and one with 1.8 for primer, somewhere around $150 for the two going from memory. I haven't used the astro evo, I just know some people have posted they like the gun, and think was mentioned on here as well. I just did a search, here is the link.
http://www.spraygunworld.com/Informa...14%20Combo.htm
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The Iwata LH 1.4 400 Copy

I bought the Ebay gun,haven't used it.I want a primer gun and didn't see the gun mentioned here on Habour Frieght, anybody know the listing name or #? thanks Cisco
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I bought the Ebay gun,haven't used it.I want a primer gun and didn't see the gun mentioned here on Habour Frieght, anybody know the listing name or #? thanks Cisco
The gun that's the subject of this thread I believe is a W400 Zhipp and it was available from an eBay vendor called Tuul Shed but he doesn't carry them any more and his web shows them as "temporarily unavailable".

The Harbor Freight gun I believe is item #43430-9VGA.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on the part numbers.

Hope that helps!

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I think it is something like spray gun world that had package of two astro evo lvlp guns, one with 1.4 and one with 1.8 for primer, somewhere around $150 for the two going from memory. I haven't used the astro evo, I just know some people have posted they like the gun, and think was mentioned on here as well. I just did a search, here is the link.
http://www.spraygunworld.com/Informa...14%20Combo.htm
Thanks for the link! There's not much info about these guns on the boards yet, but the chatter there is is all positive so I think I found our guns!

I'm a little tied up till about Wednesday so I'll probably set down and order guns then . . . I'm leaning towards these Astros - if anyone has any experience with them please speak up and let me know what you think!

Steve
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This may be a bit of twist in the subject of this thread but as the owner/user of several of the knockoff type guns, including the "purple" gun that I like very much, I think everyone should look closely at what they intend to use them for. If you only (honestly) intend to use them for a couple of jobs or maybe you are just going to paint a "beater" then they are a good idea but if you are going to use them for much of anything else then take a real look at the pro class guns. Even at $400.00 or more the gun will still cost less than quality material for just one job and even the econo paints can add up in a hurry plus the added labor of dealing with a less than perfect finish produced by some of these things. Gun failure such as dribbling, leaking, spitting and, as I saw happen to a fellow painter, parts falling off the gun while spraying a car (in this case the trigger pin fell out and landed smack in the middle of the hood on the last coat) can easily cost more than the difference in the price between a "bargain" gun and a "real" one. I used my HF guns and liked them a lot but when I took the plunge and bought my IWATA I realized immediately that I should have done so sooner, the difference is nothing short of amazing. With a gallon of paint costing more than even the pro guns you can quickly spend the difference in price between the cheapie and the pro gun and watch it drift toward the vent fan but in the end you will still have just the cheap gun. Point being that by the time you do just a few jobs with the pro models you will save enough to make them actually cheaper to own plus a lot easier to get that slick finish, the gun really is a bad place to pinch pennies. I still use my HF guns for some things and would not want to be without them because they do have their place but I do not use them for quality BC/CC materials anymore, except for very small jobs, and I truly feel my IWATA has saved me money instead of being a spendy luxury. I am not a pro and I only do this on a hobby level and IMO these guns (the IWATA, Sata, etc) are still cheaper to own after only a few jobs, just something to think about.
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Good point Oldred.

I am known for being cheap, but I have never regretted
buying a "better-than-needed" tool, I've always looked back
and said "I'm glad I did"
The cheap stuff has cost me more in the long run.
If you are only going to use a gun a few times, buy a good
one and use it, then sell it on Ebay.
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