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Old 05-01-2013, 10:43 AM
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not try'n to be an a-hole, but Love how everyone ASSUMES..
let me play the other side, why you sell the truck? was it because you knew of an issue??? remember I'm just ASSUMING.. like everyone else here..
you don't have to rpm an engine to have a rod let go.. a nice shift from 1 to 2 under load will do it at 3000 rpm..
before everyone tells the o/p to not worry or CARE about it.. I think seeing what happened would be the 1st order of business..
and unless your bill of sale says sold as it, where is.. and you don't live in a state that has limits on that.. good luck..
I'd find out what happened in the engine before ASSUMING..
would it be any different if a 43y/o bought it and the rod let go..
or you just gonna ASSUME a 19 y/o will be the only driver that MIGHT beat it..

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not try'n to be an a-hole, but Love how everyone ASSUMES..
let me play the other side, why you sell the truck? was it because you knew of an issue??? remember I'm just ASSUMING.. like everyone else here..
you don't have to rpm an engine to have a rod let go.. a nice shift from 1 to 2 under load will do it at 3000 rpm..
before everyone tells the o/p to not worry or CARE about it.. I think seeing what happened would be the 1st order of business..
and unless your bill of sale says sold as it, where is.. and you don't live in a state that has limits on that.. good luck..
I'd find out what happened in the engine before ASSUMING..
would it be any different if a 43y/o bought it and the rod let go..
or you just gonna ASSUME a 19 y/o will be the only driver that MIGHT beat it..
I don't care how old you are-

you bought a used vehicle from a non-dealer. buyer assumes the risk. It could have blew a rod backing down the driveway 15 seconds after the deal, not the previous owners problem.

A dealer sale would be a different story.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:25 AM
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I don't care how old you are-

you bought a used vehicle from a non-dealer. buyer assumes the risk. It could have blew a rod backing down the driveway 15 seconds after the deal, not the previous owners problem.

A dealer sale would be a different story.
you btter check you state laws on that..'
I know that don't fly here, unless the bill of sale states
sold as is,where is, and signed by both with a witness.
dealer or not..
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:32 AM
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Where do you live?

Everything you sell has some warranty issued by the seller in your state?
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I agree. Its the crap happens thing. Im still considered young by many but I have mellowed out alot being 31 than when I was younger due to lessons learned. Being younger heightens the threat of issues. Whenver I go to shows and cruises without fail majority of the people showing off are younger people the small percentage are the rich old people that either have no respect or dont care having the money to back their rash decisions up. Not saying it leaves us when we get older it merely dims because who doesnt enjoy a burnout or neck snap from lift or hittin through. The want and need are just lower plus with age comes knowledge of limitations so fewer problems are to be had before they even start. If the motor was solid before test drive I bet it initiated during the test drive because who doesnt torture an auto at least a lil bit during a test drive probably created a hairline crack so when he bought it he put it under higher loads of stress and there she went. No matter what though when an auto is bought used from a private party and something goes wrong its a chalk it up situation because no one has xray vision to see any problems internally of anything. Dealers are responsible only out of warranty covered autos. Its up to the buyer to decide to chalk it up or purchase an extended warranty if the auto is marked As Is/No Warranty. Alot of insurance companies are now into that with offerings of breakdown relief as well.
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My sons grilfrind bought a 96 Mustang an drove it for a week until it blew a head gasket. The previous owner an her split the cost of parts an labour 50/50. He didn't have to do a damn thing, but I thought that was a nice thing to do. If this happened to me I'd have him buy a rebuild motor an have him help with the install. Just an idea, but its not my call.
This was my original thought, just to be nice. Problem is he and my truck are in Montana and I am headed to Kuwait for a year in a couple weeks. I am in Texas now, so there is nothing I can do besides give him money. I'm not going to do that. I appreciate all of the comments, I just wanted to validate what I already suspected. And this whole thread definitely cements it.
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Old 05-01-2013, 12:50 PM
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Gearhead, I'm glad you are playing devils advocate here, I can give a little more detail. The guy, though he is young seems like a stand up honest guy. The whole reason I brought this topic to this forum is because I want to give him the benefit of doubt based on his apparent sincerity. On my end, the reason I am selling the pickup is because I was using it as a daily driver while my girlfriend drove my 07' Silverado during the winter, she just bought a car in November so now I have my 07' available for me to use. The 77' was getting driven once every couple weeks just to keep the fluids circulated and it sat in the driveway. I just don't need it any more. It really did run great. The whole reason I rebuilt the motor is because it had developed a knock so I parked it. When I pulled the motor apart it looks like I stopped driving just in time as there was a large chunk of the casting around the wrist pin on one of the pistons that was gone and 3 pistons had broken rings. I had the pickup for about 7 months before the knock started.. as far as state laws in Montana, the bill of sale does not require a no warranty disclosure. There is no warranty unless stated. I didn't sell the guy a lemon, this was just bad luck or abuse so far as I can tell.

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I have an ethical dilemma. I sold my 1977 Chevrolet 3/4 ton 4x4 pickup a few days ago to a young man who promptly threw a rod complete with holes in the oil pan spilling both oil and coolant on to the ground within an hour of the title being signed over. I rebuilt the motor late last year and have around 500 miles on it since the rebuild. It has been running great since day one and the kid even said it ran "excellent" on the test drive. I am not a professional engine builder, but this certainly isn't the first motor I built and I am confident it was machined and assembled correctly.
I know I have no legal obligation to do this but I want to stand behind my motor. However I do not if it was abused. Do you think the motor was scattered by overspeed, incorrect assembly, lack of oil???
The motor is a 350 sbc, .40 over, new bearings throughout. Crank journals line bored, new rods, pistons, block was magged and fluxed, crank ground. Stock rotating assembly, edelbrock intake and carb. Stock heads were tanked an inspected. New RV cam. Engine was made to last, not be a runner..
I have been out of town for over a month, oil was good the last time I put gas in it and had no visible leaks or smoke in the exhaust. Truck has been parked except for test drives since I left.
The guy swears he did not tach it, but we were all 19 once so I have trouble believing. So what do you guys think? I know there is a lot of experience on this forum, certainly more than I will ever have.
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He tached it and then some or in another hour of driving you were in for one hell of a surprise that you didn't hear coming.

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[Latin, Let the buyer beware.] A warning that notifies a buyer that the goods he or she is buying are "as is," or subject to all defects.
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My grandparents had a simmilar deal. It was an early 80's LTD that kept burning Duraspark boxes and my grandfather mentioned it to the kid several times and the kid was happy to pay $600 for the 10ish year old car ( this was early 90's ). Later that week the kid brought it back destroyed, and demanded his money back, threatened to sue ect.... My grandfather turned him away and nothing was ever said again.
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In some places,the buyer can return something within a few days and cancel the original deal with no penalty,check local laws.
I myself would get the engine apart and I would cover any and all engine labour myself.While I had the engine apart I would "CSI" the engine.If I figured the engine was abused I would still supply my own labour for free and show the fella how it works and how it should be done correctly.
My thoughts about an engine failing at 500 miles is something was done wrong,,,, A stock flat tappet cam engine should not be able to over rev even in neutral.
Parts costs? after taking the engine apart and figuring why it failed I would decide then.If I had zero doubt he ruined the engine,I would tell him what and why and put him in the spot with a chance to come clean.Maybe he would buy all the parts.If I had a doubt as to if it was my fault,I would piece meal a stock engine together using a used short block and would have the fella do a lot of the work putting it back together.
You have an opportunity to be a hero.Here in Canada the minimum costs would likely be 50/50 and at a facility it might be cheaper if you step up and help.If you play it right you might just do the rebuild labour and at the same time teach the future generation 2 things:
How to fix something with a little knowledge about looking after something
2 and this is a big one,INTEGRITY,even if its not your fault,maybe he will be like you in the future,

or maybe he will be like you in the future if you walk away from him?
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I'm not going to pass judgment on the kid who bought this. I was not there and don't know the guy. I'm just trying to figure out how you throw a rod if your not beating on the engine?

As long as you where honest with the sale I don't think you should feel any responsibility in the issue. Parts break sometimes, even it it had a "professional" rebuild it wouldn't be covered since you sold it.
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Old 05-02-2013, 12:55 AM
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Vinnie if I was going to be around at any point in the next year I would do that, by I just started another 1 year deployment to the middle east. For anyone who cares to know, I found out what happened. The gear shift indicator is off on that pickup and falls somewhere between the N and D while in drive and is pretty well lined up on the D when in second. apparently the fact that it never grabbed 3rd gear never caught his attention. And he ran it at 60 mph in 2nd gear for about 10 miles. That pickup has 4.11 gears and is full time awd. So end of the story is that it wasn't blatant abuse, it was ignorance. He didn't really know much about older vehicles and common quirks we are probably all well versed in. If I had been there I probably could have shown him a thing or two and avoided this situation all together. I feel bad for him, but I can't really do anything for him unless I want to pay for it. I've made plenty of ignorant mistakes before, and sometimes they get expensive. Live and learn.
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60 MPH in second gear would put little stress on the engine other than a little extra heat from the RPMs.
I drove from Vancouver Canada to Bremerton raceway,got lost on the way,raced,and drove home the same day with 5.13s and a 27 tall tire.I had to adjust valves,no damage.
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