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Old 05-02-2013, 11:52 AM
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The fact that it never grabbed 3rd gear SHOULD have caught his attention. I've driven many cars where the shifter indications are a little 'off'.
If the RPM at 60 mph in 2nd gear was high enough to put a rod through the pan, he should have seen it coming, surely!!.....what is he freakin brain dead?

Sorry, personal responsibility .



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all my dads ford trucks that where diesels in 4th 1 to 1 would sing on the hyway.. if I didn't know vehicles why would I think anythings wrong with a gas engine singing on the hyway ?
just one exp.

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Old 05-02-2013, 12:24 PM
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Vinnie, being something that you raced I'm sure it was built to handle a couple thousand more RPMs than this motor. I'm surprised it blew up too. I wish I was at home to open it up and see what happened.
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Lol this went crappy. The only thing that would make this pissing contest better would be a couple of 24 packs! Yeah I said it despise me for it lol geesh....

Im sure with him being deployed he doesnt want or need this on his mind which is why im sure he was asking advice. All said and done its between them to figure and sort out. It would be awesome of you to help the kid out but is it a mandatory obligation to do so? No.

When. I was younger 17 my dad and I went to a small used car lot looking for a daily driver for me to get to work and school and w.e basically nothing special. So we didnt want to spend over a thousand. All of the autos were as is with no warranties because they were all older under 2000 dollars. Found one for 500 bucks late 80s k car ok checked it all out *looked* like it would last long enough before anything crapped out or the auto just died didnt care it was a k car. The second day of driving it front end vibrating ok no biggie not bad its only a daily so w.e. later that day the entire drivers side assembly went out just shy of rubbing tire on wheel well. Not worth fixing told dad about the car. We went back to the place talked with the guy in a nice manner and he took it back with no problems and knocked off 300 dollars off of one of the other cars that were of better condition because it wasnt a k car lol he said he didnt do anything to it because of this and we didnt blame him. So all in all we both lost a little but we both gained as well. But he was a dealer....of sorts...all autos were as is and if we wanted to take it the dick head route and go off the handle we wouldve only been considered dicks and been called a retard even by anyone having authority in law because some things are just that apparent. But being nice and talking things through with him he helped us out sure he got more money but he couldve just turned us away having to scrap an auto out of 500 bucks and back to square one of looking for a daily.
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cause everyones a mechanic and gearhead gotcha

all my dads ford trucks that where diesels in 4th 1 to 1 would sing on the hyway.. if I didn't know vehicles why would I think anythings wrong with a gas engine singing on the hyway ?
just one exp.
I never said that everyone is a mechanic and gearhead. and there is a difference between singing and screaming. You don't have to be a gearhead to notice that, but you'd have to be a dick head not to.
My 18 yo daughter would have picked up on that.



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luck of the draw..
if it was built right even if he ran it to 5500 rpm it shouldn't drop a rod..
don't know of many judges that will side with you here
BINGO! I had a blower PLUS nitrous on a 355 and then broke the rear end on the launch and didn't throw a rod. Tach tell-tale read 8500. STOCK rods. No way it should have thrown a rod that quickly unless you left a bolt loose.
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BINGO! I had a blower PLUS nitrous on a 355 and then broke the rear end on the launch and didn't throw a rod. Tach tell-tale read 8500. STOCK rods. No way it should have thrown a rod that quickly unless you left a bolt loose.
there are plenty of bone stock 350s that toss a rod bearing and many of them never ever see 5500 rpm.

8500RPM on bone stock rods isn't going to happen.
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there are plenty of bone stock 350s that toss a rod bearing and many of them never ever see 5500 rpm.

8500RPM on bone stock rods isn't going to happen.
Well of course you know better than I do, afterall I was driving and you weren't even there!
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there are plenty of bone stock 350s that toss a rod bearing and many of them never ever see 5500 rpm.

8500RPM on bone stock rods isn't going to happen.
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there are plenty of bone stock 350s that toss a rod bearing and many of them never ever see 5500 rpm.

let's see
77 Chev 4x4 with 4.10s and full time
Not sure but could be taching at 3500 in drive at 70ish

drop into second and you are well into the 4000 range and then some.

Yep--I can see a rod going out.
Happened to to my 78----cruising along and a pair of rods thought they would rather be on the ground.
Truck made absolutely no sounds at all before they let loose.
Engine just stopped running.

Granted this was not a fresh motor----but was not a high miler either.
Engine not hot----and full of oil----it was just time to go.


But again---used car and one will take risks when he purchases.

I have a well maintained older pickup for sale---82 Dodge
Very low miles and there is no way I would be held responsible for anything
that failed after it was purchased. Old cars, things happen.

Bought a new GMPP 454HO that was out of warrantee before I actually started it----turns out rings were installed upside down by GM twits and the thing literally pumped oil out thu the tailpipes----My problem and I was none too happy about it either.
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sorry guys sold means sold. as is sale end of story! should of had someone look at it. but this buyers age does not matter ,He beat it up and fast!!!!
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[QUOTE=techinspector1;1671654]Now think about this carefully. If a rod bearing was going out or a rod nut loosened up, it would make some noise before it finally let go. Matter of fact, it would make A LOT OF NOISE. The kid would have shut the motor off in that case and would not have continued to drive the truck. If that were the case, and you could have heard the motor running with the loose rod, you might fault yourself. /QUOTE]


X2 - you're officially on the hook for nothing.


Quite a while ago, 17 years, my wife was headed home from work late at night. She was 6 or 7 miles from home when the check engine light starting going on and off. She said a couple of seconds later she began to hear a noise and it got louder as she drove farther. She figured that she was so close to home that she would tell me about it the next morning when I got up. She ended up telling me about that night when I had to come get her and drag the car home. That was the 1st engine I ever rebuilt, and not because I was a gearhead, but rather out of necessity (I was flat broke at the time and asked my employer for an advance to pay for it.)

The last two engines that I've rebuilt for other people were similar situations - old, worn out, high mileage stock engines with spun bearings. Both people shut them down when the engine noise became VERY loud. All three of these had to have the cranks cut and one new, or new to the engine, rod. NONE of them threw a rod. Do you see where I heading with this?

My point being, I can't imagine that this kid didn't hear something that should've raised his attention to make him think, 'hey - something doesn't sound right'.


My first piece of advice: tell the kid to save the engine so you can look at it when you get back home and make sure to tell him to save everything and don't drop the pan. And until then there is nothing you can do. The failure will be obvious if you know what you're looking for. There will be identifiable conditions showing a broken rod bolt, a loose rod bolt, an oversped bearing, or a lack of lubrication. All four will have specific, identifiable failures.

My second piece of advice : get back home safe and in one properly functioning piece. Good Luck (I hope none is needed)
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Well this thread certainly got a little heated. I appreciate all of the input gentlemen, from both sides. As I said at the beginning I am just trying to do the right thing here. After all of this I am fairly confident that I didn't put the motor together wrong. Did it hold up as well or as long as it should have? Obviously not, but I was honest with the guy throughout this whole process, before and after purchase. As far as the shift indicator, come on.. he test drove the vehicle and said it ran "excellent" and wanted to buy it. That little piece of plastic didn't even cross my mind. And maybe I am a little callous in saying this but if he couldn't figure that one out he didn't have any business buying an old pickup and should have went with something more familiar. I feel bad for the guy, I really do, but at this point I don't believe I did any thing morally, ethically or legally wrong. Sucks the motor blew, sucks he didn't know better, sucks that he didn't have anyone with him that could explain it. But I guess this is just one of those "**** happens" situations. Nailhead mentioned getting the pan dropped to figure out what happened. I actually presented that idea to him the day after it happened and he brushed it off. I told him if it was abused it's on him and if I assembled it incorrectly I'd give him $1200 which won't cover the motor, but that's what it cost me in machine work and parts to rebuild. Anyways, thank you again for all the input. Talk to you all again in a year when I get home and break something on my 50'!

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Bought a new GMPP 454HO that was out of warrantee before I actually started it----turns out rings were installed upside down by GM twits and the thing literally pumped oil out thu the tailpipes----My problem and I was none too happy about it either.
well that su__ks but g.m. twits didn't build it..
my 454ho said right on the plate on side of engine, built FOR g.m. part # serial #
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Well this thread certainly got a little heated. I appreciate all of the input gentlemen, from both sides. As I said at the beginning I am just trying to do the right thing here. After all of this I am fairly confident that I didn't put the motor together wrong. Did it hold up as well or as long as it should have? Obviously not, but I was honest with the guy throughout this whole process, before and after purchase. As far as the shift indicator, come on.. he test drove the vehicle and said it ran "excellent" and wanted to buy it. That little piece of plastic didn't even cross my mind. And maybe I am a little callous in saying this but if he couldn't figure that one out he didn't have any business buying an old pickup and should have went with something more familiar. I feel bad for the guy, I really do, but at this point I don't believe I did any thing morally, ethically or legally wrong. Sucks the motor blew, sucks he didn't know better, sucks that he didn't have anyone with him that could explain it. But I guess this is just one of those "**** happens" situations. Nailhead mentioned getting the pan dropped to figure out what happened. I actually presented that idea to him the day after it happened and he brushed it off. I told him if it was abused it's on him and if I assembled it incorrectly I'd give him $1200 which won't cover the motor, but that's what it cost me in machine work and parts to rebuild. Anyways, thank you again for all the input. Talk to you all again in a year when I get home and break something on my 50'!
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Well this thread certainly got a little heated. I appreciate all of the input gentlemen, from both sides. As I said at the beginning I am just trying to do the right thing here. After all of this I am fairly confident that I didn't put the motor together wrong. Did it hold up as well or as long as it should have? Obviously not, but I was honest with the guy throughout this whole process, before and after purchase. As far as the shift indicator, come on.. he test drove the vehicle and said it ran "excellent" and wanted to buy it. That little piece of plastic didn't even cross my mind. And maybe I am a little callous in saying this but if he couldn't figure that one out he didn't have any business buying an old pickup and should have went with something more familiar. I feel bad for the guy, I really do, but at this point I don't believe I did any thing morally, ethically or legally wrong. Sucks the motor blew, sucks he didn't know better, sucks that he didn't have anyone with him that could explain it. But I guess this is just one of those "**** happens" situations. Nailhead mentioned getting the pan dropped to figure out what happened. I actually presented that idea to him the day after it happened and he brushed it off. I told him if it was abused it's on him and if I assembled it incorrectly I'd give him $1200 which won't cover the motor, but that's what it cost me in machine work and parts to rebuild. Anyways, thank you again for all the input. Talk to you all again in a year when I get home and break something on my 50'!
I wouldn't feel guilty if I were you, you seem like an honest guy.
Don't let it play on your mind. Stay safe.



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