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Old 06-02-2006, 06:16 AM
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I am not going to put down the Kirker products. I will say this. The epoxy is the first product that I put on bare metal. Everything else goes on top of it. I would not use a product that I was not completely confident with for the base of my work. It may spray well, and look good. That is not the test of the product. The test of the product is the adheasion and durability. If it looks good and pops off later, you have lost alot of work and money.

If I was doing a car that was going to be sold cheaply, I might consider trying to use the cheapest product that I could get away with. If it is something that I was keeping, or belonged to someone else, my reputation is on the line. A failure in a repair that I do, will be redone at no cost to the owner, unless of course it is mine. I don't charge enough for my work to be doing alot of stuff 2 times. I want a product that I can depend on the first time.



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Aaron, good point.

I highly doubt that Kirker has adhesion and durability problems with their
primer, if they did there would be posts all over the net about them. While
there product might cost less, that does not mean its not as good. Kirker
formulates products for other companys, so that PPG product you use
and you like lots just might have "Really come from Kirker"

I think most companys in the business of making paint today have alot
at stake and that is if there is a sniff of a quality problem consumers
will bail from using their products real fast. Hence the need to produce
a quality product.

Digging deeper, the only way to know if a product is any good is to try it
or try it and test it prior to application.

Lots of folks on here will use products based on what someone might
recommend, For example folks say SPI is great which is fine. Folks like
kirker which is fine also.

The real key is for the end user to take the time to educate themselves.
If this means putting in phone calls to a paint company, then do it. Personally
I dont use either of those products, simply because imho there are better solutions available.

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Good stuff for the money IMO.

Great customer support IMO.

Personally have not experienced a paint failure due to using their products.

I see no need to spend extra money if I don't have to.
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X711... I was not trying to indicate that there was a problem with adheasion or durability of that product. I would not say that because I have not tested it. I was simply pointing out that the way something sprays and looks right afterward doesn't really tell alot about the product. I have seen times when paint looked great right after spraying, but days, weeks, or months later, a problem showed it's ugly head.

In all actuality, the results as far as appearance, that someone else gets from a product, has no bearing on me. That product may not spray the same for me as it did for them. Then again, I may have no problem spraying something that they cannot get to perform.

As far as making paint products for other Name brands, I don't know about that. I do know that a few years ago, I drove a tractor trailer. I went to a soap manufacturing plant with a delivery. When I was there I saw products from many of that company's competitors being boxed for shipment. You never really know who makes a product, unless you watch them make it.

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