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rodrieguz 03-27-2009 03:52 PM

leather seats
 
I'm new here trying to recover my seats, I had a local guy do them and the leather seems to wringle easy when you sit in the seat. could this be from old foam underneath or bad leather? If the leather is glued to the foam would it reduce the chance of wringling? I did some fiberglass covering before with leather and I didn't have this issue @ all.


Rod

DanTwoLakes 03-27-2009 06:39 PM

It would be really helpful to know what seats from what car you are referring to. Naturally, the older the seats the poorer condition the seat foam will be in. More likely the culprit is poor workmanship and/or poor seat foam rather than poor quality leather. The leather should have been glued to the sew foam and sewed around the edges to the sew foam. When you have leather seats done, you should ask for either full grain or top grain leather, and have that documented. It's a lot easier to have leather turn out well over fiberglass than over foam, but whoever did your seats should have explained to you that working over 30 year old seat foam is not conducive to good quality seats. I won't do leather seats (or any seats for that matter) unless my customer is aware of these things before I start.

rodrieguz 03-27-2009 08:38 PM

Dan,

I agree with you 100% as amatter of fact my arguement to the upholstry guy was he should've known better than to use old foam. After I specifically said replace the foam. I was gonna have the guy re-do them but I feel it's a waste of my time. Fiberglass is alot easier to upholster, add foam , make patterns, sew , heat stretch, and glue. (When I did my Lambo interior I did stretch and glue the leather over my sew foam. Even on the curved pieces they came out great, I used chipboard glued to the foam of the curve)
So I'm going to attempt re-do them myself.

DanTwoLakes 03-28-2009 05:03 AM

I forgot to mention in my first post that leather stretches so much that if it is not glued to sew foam and stitched around the perimeter of the pieces that it could get extremely baggy just from sitting on it.

rodrieguz 03-28-2009 07:17 AM

The interior in question I forgot to add is a 69 cutlass convertable. the rear seat springs are super bouncy, is bracing every added inthe seat to reduce the bounce, it's almost like sitting on a trampoline. BTW, I did read your tutorial about replacing the spring on a 70 cutlass seat.
here are a few pics of my lambo interior I did, I don't have pics of the cutlass seat I'm working on but I will try and post some today.

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DanTwoLakes 03-28-2009 08:20 AM

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Here's the rear seat out of a '70 Cutlass which should be the same as yours. The seat foam was in great condition. I didn't notice any problem with how it sat, but you may want to connect all the springs from side to side in two places with stake wire to stiffen it a bit. (I always sit on a seat before I upholster it to see how it sits) Also the top of the front bucket. The white fabric and yellow welts are just plain vinyl, the black inserts are Alcantra imitation suede. The yellow stitching is #92 polyester. Not my cup of tea, but the customer loved it.

rodrieguz 03-28-2009 07:47 PM

Ok,

thanks for your imput, I re-did the seat today, the springs were all moving independent which was the way it was however to stiffen the springs up I hogringed 3 rows of 3/16" rod to the spring to allow them to work together when compressed. This stiffend the seat up quite a bit but not good enough for me. I used some 5" foam and cut it on a bevel and slid it into the front of the seat. This foam wedged in between the top and bottom frame rail made the seat alot firmer. I took it one step further and lined the inside frame of the seat also to see how it worked. I loved the way it feels when I sit on it now. I used the decking pad in between the springs on the inside and outside.
Heated the leather up a bit and worked from the center out pulling out 98% of the wringles I had the issues with. I also r- padded the old seat foam with 1/2" foam. This may not have been the correct or standard wa but it worked for me and all the foam is protected from the springs pushing thru.

[IMG]http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/l...michael075.jpg[/IMG]


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