lol, what are the heath "benefits" of alcohol man?

K

ever hear the one glass of wine a day thing?

pam pam pam to the dump kaboom






Mike

Mike...you should sign up to be a moderator...you are kind of a "mini-mod" right now....finding all the threads that need to be thrown away.

just reaaaaaaaaaaaaally tired of this topic

but dont worry, No Topic WILL come back







Mike

lets start one next week....We can be like partners in crime....

You know, I'm really beginning to believe that everything should be legalized. Seriously! Rape, Murder, Drugs,Prostituition, whatever makes YOU feel good. Forget about society. Its all about YOU. YOUR Rights. YOU should be able to do anything YOU want.

Just ONE catch.

YOU should be held COMPLETELY responsible for ANY injury that YOU caused to yourself or others. Now, say for instance, you are high on crack and killed someone. I think restitution would be to provide financial and physical restitution to the victim.
So, you don't have the cash? WORK. You then become an indentured slave as a result of YOUR choice. No claiming bankruptcy, they OWN you until you pay off.
So you hurt yourself while induced? No SSI, no disability, no workmans comp, etc.

Drug dealers? If difinitively caught in the act on video, then its simple. Execution. No pardons. Pop the cap. Poof, your gone.

Possesion? Same. ("Gray areas" would exist without firm proof, such as planted drugs)

Want to know why the War on Drugs has failed? Because of too lenient courts. Juvenile Offender status as well. Turkey doesn't have ANY repeat offenders! Not a one !

I agree with the alcohol/drugs not being treated equally. They are both a blight to society. They both cause health problems. The problem with prohibition stemmed from too many pople getting hooked on alcohol. Now, its too much of a tax vehicle for the govenment to touch. Watch the alcohol taxes raise as more people are dropping cigarettes. They won't outlaw it, they will tax it to death.

Okay, I am with you.



That's covered by current law - crack is illegal, murder is illegal and if you used a handgun while in possesion of crack that also is illegal.


Starting to lose me there, didn't make an amendment to the constitution specifically to get rid of this type of thing?


Inherent flaws in the philosophy of this approach?




These are notices from the American Consulate RE; Turkey and I don't see any death or draconian sentences....

"If you are convicted on narcotics charges, you may face the following sentences under several Articles of the Turkish Penal Code. These regulations are subject to change at any time.



Article # 403:


Whoever produces or imports narcotics without a license or in violation of a license is sentenced to 10-20 years of imprisonment,


Whoever exports items mentioned under item 1 above is sentenced to 6-12 years of imprisonment and a penalty fee for each gram of the substance,


Whoever exports after producing or importing these substances gets imprisonment under items 1 and 2 above,

If imprisonment is already served outside of Turkey, it is deducted from the actual imprisonment period,


Whoever sells narcotic drugs without or contrary to a license, or puts on sale, buys, or keeps in his/her possession or somewhere else, transfers or receives free of charge, ships or transports or mediates in the sale, purchase, transfer or procurement in any way is sentenced to 4-10 years of imprisonment,


If the narcotics referenced in the preceding paragraphs are heroin, cocaine, base morphine or morphine, the punishment given to the perpetrator is doubled,


If the offenses described in the preceding paragraphs are committed by perpetrators who form or lead an organization or by members of such organizations, punishment shall be increased by one-half,


If these crimes are committed jointly by more than one person who has no organization or by those who have made such crimes a profession, trade or a means of making a living, punishment shall be increased by one-third,


Whoever uses a minor under age 18 or a person who has no criminal liability in committing these offenses, punishment shall be increased by one-sixth,

Whoever forms an organization with the purpose of committing the offenses mentioned above or participates in such activities shall be punished for 5-10 years of heavy imprisonment,


Conspiracy of 2 or more people to commit such offenses is considered an organization,


Whoever buys these drugs by using a false prescription shall be punished for 1-3 years and a penalty fee.

Article # 404:

Whoever facilitates a person’s use of drugs by providing a special place or in another way and those who give them to minors, mentally incapacitated or to an addict shall be punished under items 5 and 6 of Article 403 and imprisonment will be increased by one-sixth,

Whoever uses or keeps them in his possession is sentenced to 1-2 years of imprisonment,

Drug addicts who apply to official agencies and request treatment prior to any investigation being started shall not be punished,

A person considered an addict shall be kept and treated at a hospital until it is medically ascertained that the individual has recovered. The Court can decide for treatment of the individual at a hospital at any stage of the trial.

It all looks good on here the way it gets wrote,just like it does in the law books.But......if you get caught with drugs you know it will take many times before a conviction because of plea bargaining,snitching.Got a cop here on trial for his life because during an undercover drug deal,he got robbed by a piecec of garbage teen age KNOWN drugdealer.After a fight he shot the before mentioned piece of garbage.Now we are fortunate to have one less thug on the street milking society for all he can,but we also have a man who was sworn to serve and protect on trial for protecting himself.This guy has lost his job,possibly his wife and children,and could now lose 20+yeras of his life,all over drugs that he was trying to prevent.Beenaway2long for sheriff!!

Im not for it. No particular reason. However since others are telling stories, I will to.

I could talk all day about it. I've been educated to death about it.
First off, If cocaine, herion, meth, etc can all be legalized for medical purposes, I dont see why weed would be illegal for medical purposes. However the THC content in weed is a chemical. Chemicals unnatural to the human body alter it. Hence the high. Prolonged exposure to THC chemicaly alters the brain. Chlorine is a very toxic substance to humans. (The C in THC)

every single one of my friends has smoked it before, and some have become addicted. Physically, It is not addictive. However, Mentally, Socially, and Habitually, it is. Which far outweighs the physical addiction of other drugs. The ones smoking it for the longest have turned to other drugs to enhance the high. The reason being, the body gets used to the chemcial in the body and it no longer affects the brain as severely as it originally did. I saw in another post it was said 'weed does not lead to other drugs' However, I have seen first hand that it does. I've seen medical study's proving it. Availibility has nothing to do with it, other drugs are just as illegal if not more so. One of my best friends smokes religously, and is now turning to pain killers to enhance the high. He told me that weed just wasnt a big enough high anymore, so he has to have something else to make it better. Not that it matters much, but on top of all that I just lost my GF of 3 years to weed.

My vote is no.

Let's put a different perspective on legalizing drugs. Right now, I would have to say that from most social standards, illegal drugs have a negative impact on a person.

Let's pretend for a moment that pot is legalized.

Now, we'll assume that if it becomes legal, then it would be highly commercialized in one form or another just like alcohol is.

Now, if that were the case, would it become less of a taboo? If it were to become less of a no no, would it's consumption increase?

If it's comsumption increased dramatically, what would the effects be on our society?

Since alcohol is now the legal drug of choice, would it be overtaken by pot?

It has said that no one has ever died from using marijuana, what about lung cancer from it's use? It's highly carcinogenic just like tobacco. In the current state that it's sold in now illegally, it is far more harsh on the lungs than cigarette smoking is. What would the effects of pot be then once it becomes as common as a Budweiser?

What about all of the other drugs that are mentioned?

Would they just become property of the large drug companies? Would the legal price of pot be higher than it is now on the illegal market?

There is alot more to the issue than just crying "legalize marijuana".

I believe wholeheartedly that smoking anything is bad for you. If you were meant to smoke, you would be born wit a chimney in the top of your head.

Likewise, I believe that doing anything that diminishes your ability to reason, or impairs your motor skills is a mistake also.

I think that booze is bad news too, along with cigartettes. So, we've already got two terrible vices floating around out there that are perfectly legal, should there be a bunch more?

What would the long term effects of marijuana use be on our society? Would it be another drag on our already screwed up health care system?

Stuff To Think About

NAIRB, I like the new "family man" platform your going with.

I started at the same time as a good friend of mine right out of high school.

Now I have a steady girlfriend, my car is paid off, I'm about to buy my first house, and I landed my career job that pays $30k starting out. I really don't care how some other people judge 'success', but I'm pretty darn happy with my life and so are my family and friends.

But my buddy Craig . . . . . well let's just say he doesn't have a dime to his name, he loads bags at the airport for $9.50/hr, single as auto-part, and pretty much just living check to check. He smokes WAY more than he should and I think it shows.

My point is, if you're going to be so hypocritical as to say "Don't play with fire, you'll get burned" than maybe you should figure out how fire works for yourself. THEN have as much fun and be safe with it as possible.

It's always easy to sit on your keister and criticize. Too bad everyone who thinks it's bad only thinks about the things they've heard and read, and not what they've experienced.

Sorry, you can't really call me a hypocrite on this one because I've been on both sides, tokin' and not tokin'. And guess what, I was WRONG!!!!!!!!!

But it's cool, cause I can admit that now.






MoocH

Yes, that's my other hobby, painting toe nails on my little girl. Her little toes are so small, I think I painted an entire toe or two. These are the things I get to do as soon as I get home from work.


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Brian