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As a matter of fact I find that after I would get home from a hard days work and smoke a bowl, I felt more motivated to mow the lawn or work on my cars.


That is totally true.
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Nice first post Karma. It speaks volumes of you. I see this headed for the dump..

Incidently, can anyone Pro-Pot give certified test results? Acknowledged sites? Or are they merely opinions? (Serious question- NOT inflammatory)


The only proof of test results that I have are my SAT scores. I took it stoned and got a 1040. Took it again a few months later with a 'clear head' and got a 1000. You can call BS or you can believe it. Either way, no one will agree that it helped. But it certainly did NOT have a negative affect.

9 years hasn't done much to drag me down. But then again, like I said before, I don't smoke as frequently or heavily as most of my peers. I just get to the point where I can feel it and stop.


The STOP part is what's so hard to grasp by everyone considered a 'dope fiend' 'pothead' or 'burnout'. They simply don't know when enough is enough. Then it's too late to learn.






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Nice first post Karma. It speaks volumes of you. I see this headed for the dump..

Incidently, can anyone Pro-Pot give certified test results? Acknowledged sites? Or are they merely opinions? (Serious question- NOT inflammatory)
I don't know, but I think it would be hard too get any kind of certified test results if a substance is illegal. How could one Even do a study like that without being arrested ??
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In every one of the posts i could stand to read they all basically were the same, start with pot, end up with meth coke and heroin screwing your lives over.

pot didnt do that. You not being able to say no did.

Im a college student, smoked a lot of pot in the last couple years. But mostly in grade 12 of highschool where i finally got a good average (not really high, but high 70s). Am i saying pot made me smarter? no, but it sure didnt make me stupid.


It is a gateway drug, ive dabbled in shrooms and E. But if you take it a step back, booze is the first thing people get "intoxicated" off of, so really alcohol is a gateway drug too. Now that im gone away im not going to do anything more then pot and booze. When i go home for visits i might chew some zoomers again for old times sake, but i am in no way whatsoever addicted to them.


Pot has the advantage of only lasting a short time (if youve done E you know what im talking about) At the end of the night you go home, get some action from the ms. and go to sleep. On E your up prettymuch all night, great way to meet new people as long as you dont mind those new people thinking your a crackhead by the way your acting and your all bugeyed. Ill smoke pot with anyone, hell ive smoked pot with famous people on tv (not anything to do with rock or rap bands).


But scince the question was only about pot, make it legel.

Anyways im going to go burn one down and make a good healty meal. Goodluck on the argueing






EDIT: Heres some reading for all you anti pot people.

Pot not a gateway drug!

Heavy Marijuana Use Doesn't Damage Brain

Marijuana doesn't kill

Marijuana Unlikely to Cause Head, Neck, or Lung Cancer

Marijuana's Active Ingredient May Help Control Spasticity

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This is the dawning of the age of aquarius, the age of aquarius, aquaaarriiiiuuusss,
Aquariusssssss.............

They are crawling out of the woodwork.

Peace, Love, Marijuana

Back to the 60s, back to the 60s you go.

May your high IQ steer you to your bong.












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WOW, sounds like smoking a bone is better than taking vitamins! Tell that to the carpenter I know that had a 16 foot staging plank dropped on him from 4 lifts up by a couple of retards that thought it was cool to smoke a fattie at lunch time. Luckly it hit him on the shoulder and he's now permanantly disabled,had it hit him on the head, regardless of the hardhat,he would be DEAD!
This happened while building the tra****o-energy plant in N.Andover,MA.
Most of the construction projects I work on require drug screening and I love it........I have less chance of being injured, and it cuts down on the riffraff. The last large project I worked on was outside of the Boston area....building 51 bridges,and the guys the Boston local was sending up initially had about a 66% failure rate on the drug tests. It was great for my local, as we got almost all of the jobs because the business agent wouldn't send dopers to this job. 3 years of work at top pay!
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Nice first post Karma. It speaks volumes of you. I see this headed for the dump..

Incidently, can anyone Pro-Pot give certified test results? Acknowledged sites? Or are they merely opinions? (Serious question- NOT inflammatory)


Well, I can honestly say that my writing is totally based on fact, yes with a few of my opinions thrown in there... Here is a list of the facts that you asked for, and if you need more, I have about 60-70 other sources that i sited in my paper. Also, this is just the american lit that is around, you can go to the national website for amsterdam, where some of americas top scientists have decided to call home in order to produce more studies on this plant that has been supressed by the worlds super powers since technology has come about.... Enjoy

``Hemp'' by Lyster H. Dewey pp. 283-346. pub. United States Department
of Agriculture, 1913.


``The Emperor Wears No Clothes: The Authoritative Historical Record of
the Cannabis Plant, Marijuana Prohibition, & How Hemp Can Still Save
the World'' by Jack Herer pub. Queen of Clubs HEMP Publishing, 1993.


``The Marijuana Farmers'' by Jack Frazier pub. Solar Age Press New
Orleans, 1972.

``Hemp, Life-line to the Future'' by Chris Conrad

John Birrenbach's legal hemp FAQ pub. Institute for Hemp 1993.

A. J. St. Angelo, E. J. Conkerton, J. M. Dechary, A. M. Altschul in
``Biochimica et Biophysica Acta'' Vol. 121 pp. 181. 1966.


A. J. St. Angelo, L. Y. Yatsu, A. M. Altschul in ``Archives of
Biochemistry and Biophysics'' Vol. 124 pp. 199-205. 1966.


``Chromatography of Edestine at 50 Degrees'' by D. M. Stockwell, J. M.
Dechary, A. M. Altschul in ``Biochimica et Biophysica Acta'' Vol. 82
pp. 221. 1964.

``Hemp-seed Oil Compared with Other Common Vegetable Oils'' by Gerald
X. Diamond in ``Cannabis Hemp Information Kit'' pub.


``Therapeutic Hemp Oil'' by Andrew Weil M.D. in ``Natural Health''
March/April, 1993.

``UV-B Effects on Terrestrial Plants'' by Manfred Tevinie, Alan H.
Teremura in ``Photochemistry and Photobiology'' Vol. 50 Iss. 4 pp.
479-487. pub. Pergamon Press Oxford, New York, 1989.

``Hemp, Flax, Jute, Ramie, Kenaf and Other Industrial Fibers a
Comparison of Properties and Applications '' by Gerald X. Diamond in
``Cannabis Hemp Information Kit'' pub Washington Citizens for Drug Policy Reform

``It's Time to Reconsider Hemp'' by Jim Young in ``Pulp & Paper'' pp.
7. June, 1991.

``The Production and Handling of Hemp Hurds'' by Lyster H. Dewey in
"USDA Bulletin" Iss. 404 pp. 1-6. pub. United States Department of
Agriculture.

``Pretreatment Research Overview'' by K. Grohmann, R. Torget, M.
Himmel in ``The DOE SERI Ethanol From Biomass Program'' pub. The
United States Department of Energy.

``Marijuana, The Forbidden Medicine'' by Lester Grinspoon M.D. and
James B. Bakalar pub. Yale University Press New Haven, 1993.


``Therapeutic Issues of Marijuana and THC (Tetrahydrocannabinol)'' by
J. Thomas Ungerieder, Therese Andrysiak in ``The International Journal
of the Addictions'' Vol. 20 pp. 691-699. ed. pub. M. Dekker New York,
1985.

``Drugs and minority oppression'' by John Helmer pub. Seabury Press
New York, 1975.

``The Manufacture of Paper from Hemp Hurds'' by Jason L. Merril in
``USDA Bulletin/Yearbook of the United States Department of
Agriculture'' Iss. 404 pp. 7-25. pub. United States Department of
Agriculture

``New Billion-Dollar Crop'' in ``Popular Mechanics'' February, 1938.

``Marijuana Laws: A Need for Reform'' by Roger Allan Glasgow in
``Arkansas Law review'' Vol. 22 Iss. 340 pp. 359-375.
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Marijuana Research
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Volume 15, Number 1 (March, 2000)


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Evidence Accumulates That Long-Term Marijuana Users Experience Withdrawal
By Patrick Zickler, NIDA NOTES Staff Writer


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Laboratory studies have shown that animals exhibit symptoms of drug withdrawal after cessation of prolonged marijuana administration. Some human studies have also demonstrated withdrawal symptoms such as irritability, stomach pain, aggression, and anxiety after cessation of oral administration of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), marijuana's principal psychoactive component. Now, NIDA-supported researchers at McLean Hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts, and Columbia University in New York City have shown that individuals who regularly smoke marijuana experience withdrawal symptoms after they stop smoking the drug.

"These studies suggest that in real-world situations abstinence from daily marijuana smoking creates withdrawal symptoms similar to those of other drugs of abuse," says Dr. Jag Khalsa of NIDA's Center on AIDS and Other Medical Consequences of Drug Abuse. "Marijuana smokers may continue to use the drug to prevent the irritability and discomfort they experience when they stop."

Aggression
Dr. Elena Kouri and her colleagues at the Biological Psychiatry Laboratory at McLean Hospital found that long-term heavy marijuana users became more aggressive during abstinence from marijuana than did former or infrequent users. Previous studies of withdrawal symptoms have relied largely on patients' subjective reports of a range of symptoms, Dr. Kouri notes. "We studied measurable changes in one specific symptom-aggression," she says.

The researchers recruited two groups of male and female volunteers: 17 current long-term users of marijuana and a control group of 20 infrequent or former users. Current long-term users were smoking marijuana daily at the time of recruitment and had smoked marijuana at least 5,000 times-the equivalent of smoking once each day for more than 13 years. The infrequent or former users had not smoked more than 50 times in their life and had smoked less than once per month in the past year, or had formerly smoked at least daily but had not smoked more than once per week for the past 3 months.>>


I think if you do any amount of research you can find REPUTABLE research that shows that weed is not as innocuous as some would have you believe. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1855730.stm
It's funny how down on meth people are... yet my mother injested daily doses of clinical meth (Desoxyn) for upwards of 30 years,with the only side effect being it made her somewhat grouchy!

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SEE? When you have sources. It is more credible. I knew you guys could do it. (on both sides of the aisle) Congrats. I have some reading to do......
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WOW, sounds like smoking a bone is better than taking vitamins! Tell that to the carpenter I know that had a 16 foot staging plank dropped on him from 4 lifts up by a couple of retards that thought it was cool to smoke a fattie at lunch time. Luckly it hit him on the shoulder and he's now permanantly disabled,had it hit him on the head, regardless of the hardhat,he would be DEAD! . . . . .


The fact that they were sober when they made the 'decision' to get high is what screams IRRESPONSIBILITY to me. I've said it before and I'll say it again, don't blame the drug, blame the person who uses it in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I'm not saying this to argue your point at all, please don't take offense. I'm just using it as an example in my scenario.





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... uhh, yeah, we didn't say you SHOULD smoke mj before you go to work as a construction worker, or that its a great idea to light up before you drive... have some reason. We're saying its no more harmful than other legal drugs, not that you should take a handful of mj and stick it in your cream of wheat before work!

You could drop a beam on somebody's head by drinking before work, taking prescribed pain killers, or even taking a dose of the wrong cough medicine! That example is classic of a human error caused by poor judgement, not a citation of the dangers of drug use.

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The fact that they were sober when they made the 'decision' to get high is what screams IRRESPONSIBILITY to me.







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Mooch, no offense taken, I just dont follow your thinking. Should they have smoked a joint BEFORE work so that they would have had one of those "profound revealations" that would have convinced them not to smoke dope before hefting 150 pound planks 35 feet up?
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It's funny how down on meth people are... yet my mother injested daily doses of clinical meth (Desoxyn) for upwards of 30 years,with the only side effect being it made her somewhat grouchy!
I hear you there. Meth was my drug of choice for many years. Truth be known, Over 90% of the public wouldn't be able too tell when the average user is on it.
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Z3pr, I know folks that did meth for a time with no apparent ill effects(and boy did they get a lot of work done!) and I know some that pretty much ruined their health AND their lives. My mother took Desoxyn for medical purposes, not recreationally, and it was a benefit to her. The problem is it's cheap and potent.I have a an older sister that started using and at one point I pretty much wrote her off for dead,luckily I finally got a chance to get her away from the crowd she was associating with and she cleaned up her act and is leading a productive life now.I also know guys that can't get thru the day without a few tokes.I think it is a case of some folks having an addictive personality, and some people can do things in moderation.
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Mooch, no offense taken, I just dont follow your thinking. Should they have smoked a joint BEFORE work so that they would have had one of those "profound revealations" that would have convinced them not to smoke dope before hefting 150 pound planks 35 feet up?


It just sounds to me that these "pot smokers" were ignorant arrogant _____holes with no respect for anything surrounding them... I think that is what mooch was trying to say, not that pot is a revelating experience

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Marijuana Research
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Volume 15, Number 1 (March, 2000)


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Evidence Accumulates That Long-Term Marijuana Users Experience Withdrawal
By Patrick Zickler, NIDA NOTES Staff Writer


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Laboratory studies have shown that animals exhibit symptoms of drug withdrawal after cessation of prolonged marijuana administration. Some human studies have also demonstrated withdrawal symptoms such as irritability, stomach pain, aggression, and anxiety after cessation of oral administration of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), marijuana's principal psychoactive component. Now, NIDA-supported researchers at McLean Hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts, and Columbia University in New York City have shown that individuals who regularly smoke marijuana experience withdrawal symptoms after they stop smoking the drug.

"These studies suggest that in real-world situations abstinence from daily marijuana smoking creates withdrawal symptoms similar to those of other drugs of abuse," says Dr. Jag Khalsa of NIDA's Center on AIDS and Other Medical Consequences of Drug Abuse. "Marijuana smokers may continue to use the drug to prevent the irritability and discomfort they experience when they stop."

Aggression
Dr. Elena Kouri and her colleagues at the Biological Psychiatry Laboratory at McLean Hospital found that long-term heavy marijuana users became more aggressive during abstinence from marijuana than did former or infrequent users. Previous studies of withdrawal symptoms have relied largely on patients' subjective reports of a range of symptoms, Dr. Kouri notes. "We studied measurable changes in one specific symptom-aggression," she says.

The researchers recruited two groups of male and female volunteers: 17 current long-term users of marijuana and a control group of 20 infrequent or former users. Current long-term users were smoking marijuana daily at the time of recruitment and had smoked marijuana at least 5,000 times-the equivalent of smoking once each day for more than 13 years. The infrequent or former users had not smoked more than 50 times in their life and had smoked less than once per month in the past year, or had formerly smoked at least daily but had not smoked more than once per week for the past 3 months.>>


I think if you do any amount of research you can find REPUTABLE research that shows that weed is not as innocuous as some would have you believe. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1855730.stm
It's funny how down on meth people are... yet my mother injested daily doses of clinical meth (Desoxyn) for upwards of 30 years,with the only side effect being it made her somewhat grouchy!


My question to you is did you research these sources, find out were they were funded from in order to create this report? Because money will influence anything and anyone to say onething even if it is not true
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