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Old 12-18-2004, 07:13 PM
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Monza Spyder. It was built with a v-8 out of factory...






Chevrolet Monza Mirage,305ci(5.0) v8 engine with a 4-speed




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Old 12-18-2004, 09:24 PM
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I remember my mom had an Oldsmobile Starfie GT.By no means am I saying it is a "muscle car".But to have a 350 in it was crazy.The car originally had the 305 in it,but my unckle swapped them out before he sold it to my mom. I am with bonuts on that Cyclone.You do not see many of them,but they are sweet rides.
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Old 12-19-2004, 03:01 AM
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They brought the AMX name back in 1977-80, at first on the Hornet/Concord and then in 79/80 on the Spirit. In those years the base AMX motor was the 258 I6, optional was the 2bbl 304 V8. But yes, the 401 is a bolt in swap for a 304.
The Gremlin is a cut down Hornet and it was available with heavy duty suspension, special differential and what not, so taking out the normal 304 and putting in the 401 wouldn't make it unsafe IMO. That dealer Randall that did the 401-XR got semi approval from AMC and they sent him 30 401 engines to do the swaps.
At first glance the mid 70s 455 HO Pontiac engine, the 401 powered 1974 AMX and late 70s Magnum 400 might seem tame. Mind you, with the Trans Am the car could do mid 15s in stock trim, and once you dumped the pollution gear, played with the ignition timing and pehaps raised the compression ratio it would be quite tough. The same applies to the Magnum, some straightforward mods to the 400 engine would yield a quick ride.
No my point was the Boss 429s and the Super Bees, were the well known models, I wanted to cast some light on some other interesting cars you could pick up and build on a budget, although as said above those tame cars are rising in value.
One established muscle car that doesn't receive as much attention at it should is the "Machine".



Rebel "Machine"

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Old 12-19-2004, 05:03 AM
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If you could only buy them for 4 grand now!!! And with all the goodies

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Old 12-19-2004, 05:03 PM
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not nessissarly both uber power houses, but they are both muscle cars.
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Old 12-19-2004, 08:29 PM
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No, the Gremlin with a 232 six and three speed was "peppy", the 304 was a bit more than that though not quite a muscle car. Drop a 360 or better in it and watch out!! A 401 Gremlin got the "most violent" award at the 10th Annual World Power Wheel Standing Championships at Byron Dragway in Rockfor IL this year. It also got highest. I have a pic of the thing sitting squarely on the back bumper, and that things got a SHORT ***!! Another AMC, a 401 powered Spirit (basically a restyle Gremlin, but 2-3 inches more ***), also won high honors. One of the cars was in the first three places of all six categories, placing 1-2 in the Most Extreme and Most Violent categories.

The AMX and Javelin both could be considered muscle cars. Truth be told AMC made the fist muscle car, if you get over the fact that it had four doors! The first big engine in a compact appeared in 1957 when AMC dropped their 255 hp 327 in a Rambler body and called it the Rebel. Only a handful were made, I think around 1500, and they were all top of the line models with silver paint and an annodized spear down the side similar to a 57 Chevy Bel Air. The only car that would out run it that year was the 57 Corvette. Of course AMC was the only ones making a "compact" back then, so no one notices.
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Old 12-19-2004, 09:08 PM
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what about a 49 merc?
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Old 12-19-2004, 09:14 PM
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If you could only buy them for 4 grand now!!! And with all the goodies

MISSPELL THE WORD "BATTERN" ---- N/C

70 AMP? would it even turn the engine over?
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Old 12-21-2004, 11:50 PM
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49 Merc was definitely a full size car! Much bigger than a 57 Rambler. Muscle cars by definition are post war (post WWII). If you start in 1960 the 60 Rambler Ambassador could be included, 327 in it, but it might be considered a full size back then. It just had 8" more wheelbase than the Rambler, added in front of the firewall. From the firewall back the Ambo was the same car except for some trim and different taillights and grille!
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Old 12-22-2004, 04:49 AM
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The 1974 AMX 401 was still quite a potent car. Not as quick as previous years but at least it offered a big 4bbl 401 in 1974 which was a rare thing, had some good torque too.
The same could be said for the 1972 Ford Gran Torino sport with Cobra Jet 351/4 speed, and the 1974 Camaro Z/28 and SD 455 Trans Am. All pretty potent smog era cars.

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Plymouth Satellites. 383 are way cool in my book.
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Old 12-25-2004, 11:20 PM
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The American Motors I6 is a solid engine that can be made to make some power. I recall a lady driving a 90s Cherokee 4.0 HO (related to the old AMC 4.2 I6) that blew the doors off a hi line bimmer at a traffic light I think a Pacer with a worked 258 I6 could be a nice ride.
Also can't overlook the late 70s Z/28s and T/As. Car & Driver tested a 78' Z/28 for 0-60 in 7.4 seconds and Road & Track recorded 6.5 seconds for a 1978 W72 400 Trans Am.

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Old 12-26-2004, 05:16 AM
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1969 Pontiac Grand Prix SJ with a 428/390HP, considered by most to be a "land yacht". My buddy had one with a TH400 and 3.55 gears. Bone stock on Goodrich TA's with a tank full of Sunoco 260 it could run low 14's, it wouldn't have taken much to put it in the 13's. It could also out run most of the stock or mildly modded GTO's around here. That included a '69 with a 400 4Bbl, 4 spd and 3.90 gears.
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Old 12-28-2004, 02:03 AM
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The 370 bhp 1969 Royal Bobcat Grand Prix with 11.25 CR 428 ci & 4 speed did 0-60 in 5.4 seconds, 1/4 mile in 14.0 seconds when tested by Car & Driver! That's excatly what I mean about relatively unknown muscle cars.
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Old 12-28-2004, 03:55 PM
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72 Dodge Demon-340 w/4bbl standard,68 Plymoth Belvedere GTX-440 14.26, 62-23 Pontiac Super-Duty Catalina, Pontiac Temest GT-37, Studebaker Avanti to name a few.

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