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Old 02-03-2005, 02:16 AM
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Lift engine while in car

I am resealing my sbc which was leaking like hell. Now the manual says unscrew the engine mounts and lift the engine about 3" to get the pan off. Can I use a wooden block under the pan and lift from underneath (and then put wooden blocks between the engine mounts as the manual suggests), or how should this be done best? I don't have an engine crane, forklift, or any other kind of crane or lifting device at hand, unfortunately.

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Don't!!!! It is extremely unwise to lift a sbc by the oil pan! Most sbc oil pans are just thin stamped steel and are not made to bear a load anywhere near the weight of the motor. Lift it by the lift brackets on the intake manifold if you still have them. By all means, get a hoist of some sort. If your car is carbureted then you can purchase lift bracket that will bolt onto the intake manifold where the carburetor mounts. They aren't too expensive, certainly not as much as a new pan. Do what you have to but don't lift it by the pan!
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Ok thanks for the warning, accordingly I will lift some other way, but as I said, have no possibility I know of to lift from above, and that pan is supposed to come down in the next few days...

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You can rent an engine crane for 10 to 14 bucks a day.
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Not where I live unfortunately... Have never heard of a tool rental around.

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Use a piece of heavy plywood between jack and oil pan and don't go nuts and it should lift up. I would take the tranny mount off to allow it to pivot. You CAN damage the oil pan, but since your taking it off you can pound the dents out, just don't crush it and ruin the oil pump pickup by just putting the jack under it.
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Depends what type of car it is and how much room you have.
I did my Camaro by using a hydraulic jack and a block of wood under the crank pulley.
Do it slowly and place blocks of wood in the gap when the engine mounts separate. When the engine has been raised you can then raise the whole car and place it on axle stands.
Take the distributor out as it may make contact with the firewall, mine bumped the wiper motor. When it was raised it was difficult to wiggle the pan out but it can be done.
I found it easier to replace the pan with studs in place of the pan bolts.
You may get oil in your face when the pan is out.
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Malc is on the money, I replaced the pan gasket on my truck and I did it his way. I didn't even have to fool around with the distributor. You'll probably get away with less than 3" of clearance. I would highly suggest the 1 pc gasket if it's available. It's worth every penny!
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Not where I live unfortunately... Have never heard of a tool rental around.
Well you know how to make your fortune now!

We have tool rental franchise chains.
Private companies that rent tools.
Building supply outlets such as Home Depot even rent tools.
I have a neighbor up the street who rents tools out of his garage.
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Am I lucky or what? I have supported many small block motors on the oil pan. I do place a 2X8 on the bottom to spread the weight out over the entire sump area of the pan. Never hurt a pan doing this. Tranny has either been in place on its mounts or have had a block under the harmonic balancer in the front of the motor so guess you could say the entire weight was not on it. And I have done this about 3 times just to replace the seals. Not fun, but can be done.

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Am I lucky or what? I have supported many small block motors on the oil pan. I do place a 2X8 on the bottom to spread the weight out over the entire sump area of the pan. Never hurt a pan doing this. Tranny has either been in place on its mounts or have had a block under the harmonic balancer in the front of the motor so guess you could say the entire weight was not on it. And I have done this about 3 times just to replace the seals. Not fun, but can be done.

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I have done the same thing. Never hurt the pan if you spread the weight out. I usually put the jack off center and lift one side, block the the other side,block.
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@bracketeer: I think the reason why there aren't any is likely that there are fewer gearheads and wrenchers around here and the country is much smaller. If the target group is too small, those who hold the flag up have no easy job...

Thanks everybody for the input. I'll be careful and hope it'll work.

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We have no tool renting services here in Spain. I was lucky the paint shop had an engine hoist, and they let me use it for free
when I swapped out my 305.
I looked into buying one here but they were sooo expensive and were not sold without a bunch of kit I already have, axle stands etc. To import one from Summit was out, cost of hoist plus freight and importation and we were back to 1000 Dollars.
Without the freebie use of a hoist I would have built me some kind of A frame and used block and tackle.
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Malc, I see it's similar in Spain. I will buy one sooner or later I think, on ebay Germany they are sold at reasonable prices. Chinese equipment but what the hell as long as it does the job. The problem is I didn't want to rush into it right now. I am wrenching in a shop with several parties, some just store their cars there others work on theirs, and not everybody needs to have everything. I have a good compressor the others may use for example, and I may use their stuff in exchange, but nobody has a crane up to now...

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you could make an A-Frame out of wood
and use a chain fall or Come along
you would have to pull the hood
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