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#1 ·
I have a few very serious questions.

In the past 50 years how many pounds of exposive have we set off in the Middle East?
In the past 50 years how many pounds of explosive have they set off in the western world?

In the past 50 years how many Middle Easterners have we Killed?
In the past 50 years how many Westerners have they killed?
 
#4 · (Edited)
The "Islam-o-fascists" don't care about anything except returning the world to the seventh century. They hate the modern world and all those who are a part of it. Christian, Jew, Muslim or Atheist, it makes no difference. Any "explanation" blaming the US, Britian, Canada or any other entity for their hatred and intolerance is just plain B.S. The lefties and socialists of the western world are so eager to blame the US and other countries where there is any sort of freedom and personal liberty that they are becoming dupes and unwitting allies to those who hate us the most. Attempting to reason with the murderers is like drawing an ink circle around a cancerous tumor hoping that since you have designated an area that it can do what it will, it will not spread to the rest of the body. It must be excised and then agressively treated to prevent recurrence. As it is with the murderous scum. I hope that we in the western world have the courage to take WHATEVER action is necessary to kill the cancerous growth, and agressively work to prevent it's recurrence.

"The Man, who at twenty is not Liberal has no heart, The Man who at forty is not Conservative has no brain"

- Sir Winston Churchill
 
#5 · (Edited)
Biggarmike, I couldn't agree more. Nxs, do you want them to play catch-up? Possibly with a nuke? Would that even things out? :rolleyes: This will be my last post on this thread so as not to inflame the passions of the other side. P.S. Maybe you can share some of your thoughts and reasoning with the families of the victims down in the tunnels. I guess they were just asking to die by going to work in the morning.
 
#6 ·
USA1 said:
Nxs, do you want them to play catch-up?
They couldn't catch up if their lives depended on it...short of a nuclear weapon. And their lives depend on it. So, USA1
evil genius bent on world domination, do you think they'll use a nuke if possible?

I have answered your questions for the most part (1) no, 2) No, 3) almost), can you answer my first post? even a rough guesstimate would be great.
 
#7 ·
Nightfire said:
Just goes to show that the retarded war on terrorism is useless and just increases their hate for us (well for you guys at least, Canada dont mess with terrorist and they dont mess with us :p ).





Mike
they don't bother with Canada because we lavish them with rights and give them health care. (i'm not making this up)

JB
 
#8 ·
NXS said:
In the past 50 years how many Middle Easterners have we Killed?
In the past 50 years how many Westerners have they killed?
Maybe a couple of more fitting questions should be asked and answered.

In the past 50 years, how many civilian Westerners have Middle Easterners killed?

In the past 50 years, how many civilian Middle Easterners have Westerners killed?

The answers would paint a more accurate picture. We learned our lesson in WWII about killing civilians for military success. The rest of the civilized world took note as well. I do not consider murderers to be civilized.

We do not consider the deaths of innocent people to be acceptable. Murderers do not care who gets killed.

When I saw the news yesterday morning i was a wreck all day, I have several friends that live near London and had no way of knowing if they were alive or dead. They're students, professionals and hotrodders just like us. I care for them, I cared for the people here at home that have suffered because of terrorist attacks, I care for the men and women in Iraq and their families as well. Murderers do not care, they kill.

Larry
 
#9 ·
Just a warning guys. I'm keeping my eye on this thread.

I hate having to censor, filter, or dump anything that anyone posts. But if a conversation gets out of hand, it's really the only reasonable choice we have if we want to maintain a civil environment on this board.


Here is a great information page on the London explosions:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_London_transport_explosions
 
#10 ·
Big Jon, what's your take?

Larry, we, as democratic societies, are all guilty of each and every civilian death that occurs due to our military action in their countries.

I have some outstanding and unanswered questions. I do NOT know the answers to but I would really like to know. maybe there is a fact hound out there that can answer them.
 
#13 · (Edited)
NXS said:
I have a few very serious questions.

In the past 50 years how many pounds of exposive have we set off in the Middle East?
In the past 50 years how many pounds of explosive have they set off in the western world?

In the past 50 years how many Middle Easterners have we Killed?
In the past 50 years how many Westerners have they killed?
Personally I vote for a few pounds of Uranium 236 and a short fuse. Turn the whole area into little glass beads and start over. And I don't really care how many Muslims it kills. That's my military experience talking.

That said the only way to win a war against religious fanatics is to help each and every one of them (those who are using Islam as a cover for their terrorism) meet Allah just as soon as we can with as few Innocent civilian deaths as possible. Unfortunately until someone comes up with a fool proof method of telling the good guys from the bad guys some Innocent middle easterners are going to get killed.

Now do I personally care about that..... not really. Call me callous if you want but I spent the majority of my life flying fighters and I have no mercy for those who would try to destroy my country or my way of life, and I don't care what religion they are.
 
#15 · (Edited)
Nightrider said:
Centerline, don't take offence, but you're just a WARMONGER!
Why that's about the nicest thing anyone has ever said about me. :D

George Patton once said the object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other dumb ba$tard die for his country. The war against terrorism is a perfect example of this with the possible exception that our enemies are using their religion as a shield. It is they and not us who attack innocent civilians indiscriminately. We attack only targets of military significance and do everything possible to limit collateral damage and innocent deaths by the use of extremely accurate weapons whenever possible. They on the other hand use suicide bombers to kill their own people. If you count up the body bags you'll find that since the fall of Saddam the terrorists have killed more Iraqis than we have by a LONG SHOT.
 
#16 ·
My real question with the bombings is this:

It is my belief that in general, support for the action in Iraq has waned quite a bit recently, but with what has just transpired, alas support for this war will become stronger now that they have struck England.

I would think that if the terrorists truly want us out of the middle east, then they wouldn't have bombed London as they have. Now, they have placed the microscope on themselves once more, and our boot will remain on their necks.

Maybe they don't want the chaos to end. It would seem to me that these people truly are in love with anarchy.

It's difficult to guage the situation and who the players really are and what in god's green earth they are trying to accomplish.


Brian
 
#17 ·
Althoug I love Death Star , I would not shoot on Alderaan.

Centerline said:
They on the other hand use suicide bombers to kill their own people. If you count up the body bags you'll find that since the fall of Saddam the terrorists have killed more Iraqis than we have by a LONG SHOT.
well, as for this "***'s uncles", who kill their own peoples, i would love to be "genetically engineered cyborg psycho total homicidal maniac" to fasten all of them legs on a neck muself. But I would not use the mass destruct weapon.
 
#18 ·
Centerline said:
Personally I vote for a few pounds of Uranium 236 and a short fuse. Turn the whole area into little glass beads and start over. And I don't really care how many Muslims it kills.
You're a Moderator? LOL!
Centerline said:
We attack only targets of military significance and do everything possible to limit collateral damage and innocent deaths by the use of extremely accurate weapons whenever possible.
Well my buddy told me a different story of his stay over there.
If you count up the body bags you'll find that since the fall of Saddam the terrorists have killed more Iraqis than we have by a LONG SHOT.
And WHO is responsible for the removal of Saddam from power, if I was to even believe that?
NAIRB said:
It is my belief that in general, support for the action in Iraq has waned quite a bit recently, but with what has just transpired, alas support for this war will become stronger now that they have struck England.
The word was England was a target b/c they support the US in the Iraq war.
but...
It's difficult to guage the situation and who the players really are and what in god's green earth they are trying to accomplish.
no doubt.
It seems to be a little different than the common Al Quieda attacks. No suicide bombers, not amerature...but rather a PROfessional job. a possibility that it was not even Al Quieda but some secret spy vs spy type of action to garner new and/or lost support for the war that in all actuality will only remove rights and freedoms from US.
Who gained? not Al Quieda, no, not us, no but the government and its governmental control of its citizens.


So let me guess at the pounds of explosive presented in the original question:
Westerners: 65240358931 pounds of explosive
Middle Easterners: 245 pounds of explosive

well, it looks like we are still ahead even if my figures are off by 10,000% or more.
 
#19 ·
NXS said:
You're a Moderator? LOL!
And where exactly in the rules does it state that a moderator has to be a Liberal or a terrorist sympathizer? I must have missed that one.

According to the Iraqi Interior Minister, Bayan Jabr, the terrorist insurgency in Iraq has killed at least 12,000 Iraqi civilians since Saddam fell, and yet you defend them and condemn us.

Let's just see what we have accomplished since September 11th, 2001.

In Iraq and Afghanistan, we have:

• taken the fight to the enemy
• liberated 50,000,000 people
• killed or captured a large number of Al Qaeda
• removed two state sponsors of terrorism
• removed a brutal dictator
• removed a radical Islamic government
• convinced Libya to give up its WMD and terrorist associations
• created the real possibility of a new democracy in the Middle East

I'd say it's been worth it.
 
#22 ·
Okay let me try and get this straight. The London bombings are "supposedly" the work of terriosts/Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda and Iraq are two different entities. The way people are talking you would think that Al Qaeda is Iraq. You think the focus would be back on Afghanistan, where it should have stayed instead of waging the dog in Iraq. Maybe now they will stop screwing around and go after the real cause of all of this., Osama Bi Ladin. That's who they need to get. As far as Iraq goes, I figure just withdraw like they want and let them have Saddam back and see what happens.
 
#23 ·
kringold said:
Okay let me try and get this straight. The London bombings are "supposedly" the work of terriosts/Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda and Iraq are two different entities. The way people are talking you would think that Al Qaeda is Iraq. You think the focus would be back on Afghanistan, where it should have stayed instead of waging the dog in Iraq. Maybe now they will stop screwing around and go after the real cause of all of this., Osama Bi Ladin. That's who they need to get. As far as Iraq goes, I figure just withdraw like they want and let them have Saddam back and see what happens.
If you want to throw all political correctness down the commode, and call a spade a spade, you can easily come to this conclusion:

There are a huge number of people in the U.S. that really believe that the world would be a far better place if all arabic muslims were dead. There are also a huge number of muslims that believe the world would be better off if all Christians and Jews were dead. Alas, nothing new is under the sun, just crack open a few history books.

This "war" actually is a religious war, pitting the muslims on one side and the jews and christians on the other. It's a conflict about as old as recorded history.

Anyone who doesn't agree is just lying to themselves.

Because I have said this doesn't mean I agree with it, but it's true, nontheless.
 
#24 ·
Man, humans are retarded..... We're smarter than apes, but not really. Apes aren't destroying the earth and killing each other because of religeous beliefs or greed/power. People will never be able to get along. Ever... how friggin sad.

As far as the attack goes, I'm not certain it was Al Queda. I heard that there was no evidence of suicide bombers and that there was two bombs found undetonated. (And I haven't heard much as I don't listen/watch the news) This strikes me as a half assed job. Sort of off-pattern. Those people seem to be meticulous fanatics, this attack was only partially successful.
 
#25 ·
Centerline said:
And where exactly in the rules does it state that a moderator has to be a Liberal or a terrorist sympathizer? I must have missed that one.
No, not rules for moderators, just US media and liberals (well most anyway).

Centerline said:
... and yet you defend them and condemn us.
Isn't that the new definition of a Patriot?

NAIRB said:
... just crack open a few history books.
How about the Bible.



Want to know why Muslims hate us and "live by the sword", just think Israel and read about the fathers of the Arab and Persian people in Genesis (Ishmael - Gen 16:12 and Esau - Gen. 27:40). But of course, then you would have to believe it is true, or pure coincidence. Sorry, didn't mean to drag CGG into this one.

Ed.
 
#26 · (Edited)
Crackpot religious fanatics using religion as an excuse to kill each other should be forced to have a lobotomy.

More people have been killed in the name of religion than anything else I can think of.

Sometimes I wonder if our notions of religion makes any sense at all. So many people seem to be obsessed with killing and armageddon type stuff, but seem to forget about being kind to one another.
 
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