Well the postman dropped off the new toy this morning. OMG what a cool tool! My hands were raw from lacing seat springs with a manual tool and the time to do it was just not cost effective. So with a lot of looking and the help of you guys I found this used clinch tool in North Carolina. I couldn't believe how few used clinch tools are available out there. And on the rare occasion you do find one they hold their resale value very well! I will be hiring another employee soon so I may be looking for another Hartco as well. If anybody hears of a good used model 65 keep me in mind.