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Old 04-20-2005, 01:35 PM
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Los Angeles County plans to seize the vehicles of illegal street racers

April 20, 2005
http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1...825558,00.html

Street-racing plan calls for seizure of vehicles

Los Angeles County supervisors on Tuesday approved a plan that will allow police to seize the vehicles of illegal street racers -- a program modeled after a Los Angeles crackdown that has been in effect since 2003.
The plan is part of an effort to help law enforcement officials put the brakes on the dangerous 100 mph dashes down local streets and canyons outside the city. The supervisors directed county attorneys to draw up the ordinance within two months.

"We need to do something to control and deter street racing," county Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky said. "A vehicle is expensive, and a vehicle is essential in this town. I think this will be a significant deterrent. This is not a game."

In the past two years, police attribute five fatal accidents to street racing in the San Fernando Valley, killing seven people. In October, two 17-year-old students at Village Christian School died in a racing accident in Sun Valley. An 18-year-old Van Nuys resident died in September on Victory Boulevard in Woodland Hills.

Racers in cars prefer the long, flat streets in the Valley, often gathering about 8 p.m., when shoppers and pedestrians are still on the streets, officials said. Motorcycle racers prefer the canyons, speeding along Mulholland Drive and Topanga Canyon Boulevard, using their rear tires to leave tread marks in the road, officials said.

But law enforcement officials are cracking down on street racing, and they believe they're making progress. Undercover officers have infiltrated the gatherings.

A car theft task force -- which focuses on street racing because racers often use stolen parts to fix their cars and soup them up -- has frequent stings. Police use marked cars, unmarked cars, motorcycles and helicopters.

As a result, officials say, organized street racing is on the decline.

"Just the last time we did (a sting), we saw a big difference between times previously to that," said Detective Lorenzo Barbosa of the car theft task force. "We do believe that these guys are getting the message. We're not going to stop there."

Police have arrested drivers, spectators and flag men, charging them with misdemeanors. In races that have led to fatal accidents, drivers have been charged with felony manslaughter.

Officials did not have arrest statistics because several different divisions handle street racing. Barbosa said his anti-theft task force has made about 20 racing-related arrests in the past month.

The ability to seize vehicles has been a deterrent to street racers, police officials said, although taking possession of the cars has proven difficult. Issues of title and ownership often arise, and each case takes about a year to weave its way through the courts before the city can destroy the vehicle, said Valley Traffic Detective Bill Bustos.

But officials believe the threat of losing a vehicle is enough to scare off would-be street racers -- or at least get them to find another city for their races.

"We hit the street racers where it hurts most, taking their vehicles," said Councilwoman Wendy Greuel, who sponsored the ordinance in the city. "It has all but stopped organized street racing in the San Fernando Valley."

The LAPD's auto theft task force now has two cars in its possession, one which should be destroyed soon, Barbosa said.

The California Highway Patrol and the Sheriff's Department launched Operation Safe Canyons in the Santa Monica Mountains region, a program designed to reduce racing and other unsafe driving practices by increasing patrols in the area. Operation Safe Canyons made its first patrol through the canyons on Sunday.

"We don't want anybody getting hurt or dying out there," California Highway Patrol Officer Leland Tang said. "That is a beautiful place to ride a motorcycle, and we encourage people to take advantage of that, but we want people to do it responsibly."

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Old 04-20-2005, 02:04 PM
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Well atleast now they have a good excuse to run from the police.
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Old 04-20-2005, 02:26 PM
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I wonder how many deaths will occur, from the Racers avoiding the police, afraid of getting theor cars taken? I wonder how many cars are actually in someone elses name so they cant be taken....

Seems to me that "money" could be spent on tracks. Or at least city sponsored "street races". Heck they could probably "charge" MONEY. and get a profit!!

no no that would be the smart thing to do....
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Old 04-20-2005, 02:55 PM
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A brother of my friend got caught racing on the highway with another dude. He was charge with a $1500 fine for street racing, was gonna lose his liscence for a year, and his car was gonna get seized for an amount of time I cant remember. Lucky guy, walked out of his court hearing with no charge at all, the cop who caught him didnt hand in his paperwork on time.

Since I guess about 7-8 months ago it became legal for cops to seize your car if you were street racing.


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I want to see how the wording on the law is, especially how they define street racing and what constitutes it. Hopefully there will be some fairly strict guidelines as to what you have to be doing before they can take your car, instead of leaving most of it up to officer discretion.
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I wonder how many deaths will occur, from the Racers avoiding the police, afraid of getting theor cars taken? I wonder how many cars are actually in someone elses name so they cant be taken....

Seems to me that "money" could be spent on tracks. Or at least city sponsored "street races". Heck they could probably "charge" MONEY. and get a profit!!

no no that would be the smart thing to do....


Now I'm confused....I'm beginning to agree more and more with CGG. Problem is, how far away do racers need to go to find a track where grumpy old farts won't gripe about the noise? Or the race track traffic. It's happening at my local circle track. Tracks been there 40+ years. Rich, grumpy old geezers move in next door, and then whine about the noise. One night a week. The track promotor is cutting down to 4 races this year and maybe none next year. I want to win the lotto. Just to buy the track and keep it open, only to piddle off the neighbors. And maybe put my house right off turn 1.


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Old 04-20-2005, 04:17 PM
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I am completely opposed to any type of forfeiture laws. I have seen what it does to local law enforcement officials. They become "stuff" orientated, because most of the time the money goes to the department itself so they can buy new "cop" toys.

Our government is too big, too intrusive and we are turning into a socialist state.

Bust the racers, and fine them to high heaven, take their license, jail them, whatever, but forfeiture to me is unconstitutional.
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Old 04-20-2005, 04:50 PM
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I want to see how the wording on the law is, especially how they define street racing and what constitutes it. Hopefully there will be some fairly strict guidelines as to what you have to be doing before they can take your car, instead of leaving most of it up to officer discretion.
Exactly!!! How many guys with really Cherry Tri-5's or sweet corvettes are gonna get their cars nabbed!!! THey probably have Hemi Cuda's on the top of the list, considering what they fecth at barret jackson!!!
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Old 04-20-2005, 04:57 PM
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Now I'm confused....I'm beginning to agree more and more with CGG.
what size tinfoil hat should I send you? by the way the antenneas are EXTRA!!

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Problem is, how far away do racers need to go to find a track where grumpy old farts won't gripe about the noise? Or the race track traffic. It's happening at my local circle track. Tracks been there 40+ years. Rich, grumpy old geezers move in next door, and then whine about the noise. One night a week. The track promotor is cutting down to 4 races this year and maybe none next year. I want to win the lotto. Just to buy the track and keep it open, only to piddle off the neighbors. And maybe put my house right off turn 1.


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Thats why they should do "legal street races" same deal as a track, there are plenty of places in the bay area and Los Angeles, that "shut down" at 6pm, the streets empty and theres little to no people living there. the cops can close the street, and charge a fee to race. they can get some "track officials" to set up a tree and a timer..no biggie. Im sure enough people will pay for that to make it worth a cities benefit. When I worked behind the oracle building there was a perfect street for street racing, and it was used all time at night, how ever some CEO "had to wait" for a race in order to leave..sure enough a month later the street was covered in speed bumps. (it still is and its a PUBLIC ROAD!!)...
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Zev Yaroslavsky, that's a new one. Geeze! It seems like all California politicians are either German, Polish, Russian or just plain crazy. If they're gonna take out all the street racers in LA County they'de better get a bigger impound yard. Have you ever been on the LA freeway during rush hour? They're ALL racing trying to get position in front of the guy, in front of Gal in front of 'It', in front of them. Most of the kids down there all seem to want to mimic their parents too - Chock up another Big Brother Law to write to California's over-stuffed law books...Zev can't help it though. He probably grew up in a Socialist environment where they all rode bicycles back and fourth to work. I reckon culture shock is what brought Mister Yaroslavsky to this Totalitarian Enactment. Pity is, he's in precisely the right place to bring this kind of thing down on society. The Socialist majority down south of here will probably eat this junk up, hook line and sinker. 'Big Brother' was born in LA county - He had to hire Mercenaries when things got out of hand and Zev's one of 'em.

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Old 04-20-2005, 06:29 PM
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"In the past two years, police attribute five fatal accidents to street racing in the San Fernando Valley, killing seven people."

Thats not very many people in two years of street racing. Don't about 7 people get gunned down everyday in LA? I don't see the big "crack down on street racing" being worth the effort considering all the other crime going on. Put the cops somewhere more useful.
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And I'd like to add - YES!, Vehicular confiscation IS unworkable and unconstitutional. I'll tell you why; First off, confiscation has been tried all over the country with drunk drivers too. It didn't work there and it won't work for racers either, as long as there are finance companies, banks and secondary lien holders involved. Most hard-core drunk drivers are running around in $100 cars, without licenses and without insurance. You take their car, they'll just go get another one just like it and keep on driving drunk till they finally wind up in the slammer. If a car is financed by a secondary lien holder of finance institution, it might cost the owner through the nose but you can bet the owner will get it back - it's a proven fact, law enforcement hates being in the used car business if they have to fight to get a title.
That brings us back to the LA county Tuners and Street Racers INC... Law enforcement is trying to zero in on a problem they don't fully understand. Most of the hubbub is focused around spoiled rotten Tuner kids who are driving hopped up imports worth sometimes 15g's plus. Irresponsible parents usually carry the paper on cars like this and after spending a few short days in the impound yard, the brats will get 'em right back again. Then there's some poor sap that actually has a job and has his ride payed off. He gets stupid and gets busted for a speed contest and never sees his car again till the cops have an auction and he gets to bid on it..

We have our problems with street racing here in Oregon too. Since PIR opened up the late-night 1/4 mile I've seen a big drop in street speed contests around here. It kinda Ironic though, there are still just as many drunk driving busts going on and Portland has been taking cars away from 'em for at least 3 years now.

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I don't do much street racing, but im glad I live in Hickville Mississippi, so if I do decide to race and get caught there will be little if any consequences.

I do have a few questions for some of the boards older members though.

My father tells me about him street racing back in his hayday (60s, 70s) all the time. He said (around here anyway) the stuff was practically legal, and alot of times a group of 20-30 cars would go out in the middle of no where and start racing one another. If cops showed up they would stick around and watch the races and basically just keep an eye on things (kind of like what was mentioned above about "sanctioned" street races). He says that in all his years he can't recall a single street racing death, and they raced like this for quite a few years.

Have any of you older members experienced things like this? What were you experiences with street racing back in the "good 'ol days"? I think that if cops were to set aside a street, out of the way, and people knew it was to only be used for street racing, wouldn't that help alot of the problem?

(If it turns to, sorry for hijacking the thread, although the questions I posed are still on point)

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I want to see how the wording on the law is, especially how they define street racing and what constitutes it. Hopefully there will be some fairly strict guidelines as to what you have to be doing before they can take your car, instead of leaving most of it up to officer discretion.
I hear ya on that!

I was busted one night while driving my Anglia because I and the car/driver next to me - I don't even recall what kind it was any more - both accelerated at the same time, without burning rubber, and I never went over the 30mph or 35mph speed limit!

I promptly pulled over due to the cop's flashing lights and the other car continued on down the road unabated into the night. The cop only had a visual on us, no radar. It took me about a half hour to politely, and successfully, disagree with the officer that I had no intention of racing the other car and I did not exceed the posted speed limit. The cop just figured the Anglia was the type of car to drag race at a moment's notice and that's obviously what I was doing. What a crock of s**t!

If I were to lose my ride over a bogus bust like that which a cop somehow made stick, I'd be major irked beyond all civility.
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