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Old 08-24-2011, 09:34 PM
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low buck rod build 1950 3100 pickup using 1980 elcamino full frame or just front sub

swervin ervin here need some advice on a loww dollar rod build using a 1947 thru 1954 3100 pickup & possible 78 thru 87 el camino full frame or just the front somone have plans they could share? or a different low dollar way to go? thanks ahead

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Old 08-25-2011, 06:44 AM
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I have not built one of these trucks, but did own a 49 that I planned on building. I purchased a Firebird front clip with the thought of installing it. I looked a lot of trucks that had Camaro and Chevelle clips. Most were butcher jobs with serious drivability issues. Ended up selling the truck since it was an investment that paid well. As a result, I think the El Camino frame is a better option than the clip.

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Old 08-25-2011, 09:31 AM
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There is no such thing as a frame "swap" other than the frame from another identical truck. Frame "swaps" are not "low buck" they are money, time and work "swaps" is all they are. If you spend the same money, time and work on the original frame you will be WAY ahead.

A nicely done "clip" is way ahead of a changing the whole frame in my opinion, but that's just me. I really don't like either one.

Have you driven the truck with a proper set up original suspension? They drive very nice, there may be no need to change it at all if you haven't driven it.

But a Mustang II kit is probably the best way to go if you want to upgrade it. Mustang II up front and new springs out back that lower the truck and provide a better ride are out there by the ZILLIONS in the street rod manufacturers community.

If you change the frame you no longer even have that cool old truck, it has no identity any longer, it doesn't know what it is! Is it old, is it new?

Look at the frames side by side, they are DRASTICALLY different, how can they "swap"? Could the door off that truck "swap" with a door from a 1980 Elcamino? They are both rectagular, they both have two hinges and a window, they both have a door handle, so they can "swap" right?

The frames are DRASTICALLLY different and to "swap" them takes the skill of swapping the doors, if you have that skill, go for it.

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I agree with Brian. You loose all the charm of an old truck when you swap out the solid axle. I have drive several of them over the years and loved them. If the front end is tight, they drive great. Nowdays I might think about some better brakes if I lived in a high traffic area.
I have seen several Crown Vic front stubs on old trucks and the guys seem to like them. Still a fair amount of fabricating skills are required, not something you just read about on the internet and then go do.
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I watched a Crown Vic front go into a 62 Style Side pickup. No real fabricating involved. Many of the original suspension holes in the frame married up with the Crown Vic. The truck has a 460 installed and this swap made it look like the Crown Vic Design Engineers drug out the blueprints of the the old Style Side. This truck drives and rides like a dream. The 460, C-6 and rear end with big disc brakes are from a Town Car.

I also am a proponent of using the original frame with and upgrading suspension parts, but some frame swaps may be a viable option for skilled fabricators. Measuring and sketching can solve a lot of issues IF you have the old and new available to make the job simpler. In fact, blown up digital pictures can beat a sketch to add dimensions and angles to.

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I would do a front clip over a frame swap any day..... And the ride is worth it in my book.... I have lost count of all the ones I have clipped,, And the before and after isn't even close...
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At least you have one thing going for you on this project, the front and rear track of the El Camino is just about perfect for the early Chevy pickup. As is my usual response on these type questions, I recommend using the early Chevy center section of the original frame where it bolts to the body and adapting the El Camino front and rear clips to the middle third of the original frame.

Where everyone screws up these frame/clip swaps is that they fail to begin with the truck at the attitude they want it to be at when finished. You must take the springs out of your front and rear clips and tie the control arms/differential down in relationship to the front and rear clips. In other words, you want to install the clips with the springs removed so that you can position the wheel(s) relative to the frame clip just like they were when the El Camino was running around on the street. If you try to install a front or rear clip with the springs installed, you will not end up with a viable product.

Position the cab/bed/fenders exactly where you want them to be when the truck is finished, relative to the ground. If you want the truck level, then set it up level on jackstands. If you want a little rake to it, then set it up with a little rake on jackstands. If you're going to raise the whole mess up to work on it, then set the artificial ground level relative to the truck so that you will know where to put the spindles/diff housing.

Once you have the truck clipped and operating, you can begin to fine tune the suspension/handling/attitude with springs of different strengths from Eaton Detroit Spring.

Here is an article I wrote for the wiki that gets into a little more detail on what I have said here. It was actually to help a friend on another forum to install Dodge Dakota clips under his International pickup. Hope this helps....
http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Frame_Swap

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S 10

S 10 Reg Cab Long Bed To 47/54, No Body Mods To Your Truck No Firewall Cutting Great Ride. Low Cost I Day Job With A Motor Hoist
Don't Know Whats With Guy's This Swap Been Around For Years ??
If You Want Pix Our Info Send Me A P.m. Have Fun (been Drive'n One For 6 Years)
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Listen, the S-10 "swap" is one of the more "makes sense" ones but you are leading this man with a lie saying there are no mods!

You mean you didn't have to cut up the inner fenders and rad support? Sorry, yes you did, a proper swap is NOT a one day job, FAR from it.

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S 10 Reg Cab Long Bed To 47/54, No Body Mods To Your Truck No Firewall Cutting Great Ride. Low Cost I Day Job With A Motor Hoist
Don't Know Whats With Guy's This Swap Been Around For Years ??
If You Want Pix Our Info Send Me A P.m. Have Fun (been Drive'n One For 6 Years)


NO frame swap is a one day thing. For someone who hasn't done one before you're talking anywhere from a couple weeks to a couple months to do it right. Also you're not really saving money in the process. You still have to rebuild the S-10 suspension and brakes not to mention all the fab work required to mount the front clip again. Blow smoke up someone else's butt for a while. We know better.

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Listen, the S-10 "swap" is one of the more "makes sense" ones but you are leading this man with a lie saying there are no mods!

You mean you didn't have to cut up the inner fenders and rad support? Sorry, yes you did, a proper swap is NOT a one day job, FAR from it.

Brian
it's one day to mount kit and body if you did the prep to s10 frame/inner fenders/core support are not body parts the hard part is ps pump and rad hose's
one day to set it month's before you drive it. but do it all yourself and that's
what it's all about
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Listen, the S-10 "swap" is one of the more "makes sense" ones but you are leading this man with a lie saying there are no mods!

You mean you didn't have to cut up the inner fenders and rad support? Sorry, yes you did, a proper swap is NOT a one day job, FAR from it.

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Yeah, I'd have to call bull chit on doing it in one day too, ain't happening.
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S 10 Reg Cab Long Bed To 47/54, No Body Mods To Your Truck No Firewall Cutting Great Ride. Low Cost I Day Job With A Motor Hoist
Don't Know Whats With Guy's This Swap Been Around For Years ??
If You Want Pix Our Info Send Me A P.m. Have Fun (been Drive'n One For 6 Years)

You can post your pics for us all to see.... I'm very fast at these builds!!!! And I can say this much... It can't be done in one day...
And as far as I remember... Don't you have to open up the section between the bottom cab corners( on the back of the cab)..Where the frame rails pass... I think you do...Not sure because I never wasted my time using one under any I did.. I find the front wheels sit way to far in....I don't believe and running wide rims on the front of anything I set up..
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How about any running board mounts and bumper mounts, say it "can be done" and tell us how but come on.

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Brian, considering how many of these posts have crept up in the last few days I am beginning to wonder if the universe is just baiting you.
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