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Old 06-11-2006, 11:53 AM
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LS1 in Camaro v LS1 in GTO?

Is there a difference between a late model Camaro LS1 versus a GTO LS1?
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Old 06-11-2006, 12:25 PM
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Multiple differences, but none of them are huge. Little things mostly. The GTO engine is technically an LS2; different heads but they're interchangable as long as you get the proper intake. Cams are different but interchangable. Somewhere in there (1999 or 2000 I think) they went from a bypass regulator to a deadhead regulator for the fuel. Older LS1s had a charcoal canister up front and three lines to the fuel tank; supply, vapor, return. Later LS1s in Camros had two lines, supply and vapor and the charcoal canister is physically mounted to the gas tank itself.

So, they are the same architecture just like the different small block chevys. For the most part, heads interchange with the right intake, and then the rest is small potatoes; fuel rails, fuel lines, throttle bodies, cams, exhuast manifolds, rocker arms, etc. I think the cranks are different on the later LS2s but only at the snout for a different balancer.

So, if you were to swap a GTO engine into a Camaro, you'd be in for a bunch of piddly little things; replumbing the fuel delivery, maybe on the other side of the engine, maybe using the Fbody belt drive and accessories since they're in different places, using the Fbody exhaust manifolds, etc.

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Old 06-11-2006, 01:09 PM
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What about computer tuning, pretty much the same?
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what are you building??
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I'm building a 61 Impala. And if it goes well, I'll put a LS1 in my other ride, a 69 Pont Cat wagon. I don't want to use a GTO engine in the chevy, if there are discernable differences, or complications later on, because it's a GTO engine v. a Chevy
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Old 06-11-2006, 04:47 PM
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it's all gm
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my frind and i took a 99 c5 vette motor and stuck it in a 1994 chevy silvarado
got most of the parts through street and perfomance out of arkansa there ok just a bunch of @#$% hiilbillys we called for an order once told us we had to call back raccons ate all his pencils and he hung up??? i have pics but it wont let me uplode them file is too big.
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Old 06-11-2006, 06:09 PM
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I don't want to use a GTO engine in the chevy, if there are discernable differences, or complications later on, because it's a GTO engine v. a Chevy
If that's all you're concerned about then I dont think you need to worry too much. They're pretty much corporate engines now. Chevy, Pontiac, GMC, Cadillac all use the Gen III in one vehicle or another. Think of them as more like GM engines rather than Chevy or Pontiac engines.
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Old 06-12-2006, 09:37 AM
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So if I buy the GTO engine, I'll need to switch out the throttle body because it is electronic versus cable? Can I buy a used throttle boy from the boneyard? Or do I have to buy new? Anything else?
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Computers

The LS1 and LS2 have a few computer differences. First of all the LS1 is a GEN III motor and controlled by a P59 modula controller. It is set up as a 24X crank with a 50/50 cam. The LS2 is a GEN IV motor. It is controlled by a E40 series 7 controller. It is 58X and 6X (crank and cam). They are not interchangable. YOU MUST MATCH THE CONTROLLER WITH THE CORRECT HARDWARE. If the controller had ETC you can not use a cable throttle. It will assume that it is in limp mode and you will not get ANY power.
The best idea is to get everything from one vehicle or use an aftermarket controller.
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Old 06-12-2006, 10:56 AM
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Then an aftermarket controller is necessary to make the cable throttle body work? Any other recommendations?
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buy the camaro throttle body its not fly by wire its what we did
what are you using for motor mounts,headers,exhaust,etc?
after market controller my but thats asking for trouble!!
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also buy the camaro comuter and not the gto one then all you have to do is reprogram it,street & performance can do that for you.
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I'm putting it a 61 Impala and using Street & Performance aftermarket goodies. They have an excellent article putting an LS1 in a 60 Impala. I can get a good price on a GTO motor & 4l60e tranny, but if I have to pay a lot more for conversion parts, then it ain't worth it. I'm not too concerned about headers as I have a fantastic muffler guy. I would prefer to use the stock headers if I can.
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Old 06-12-2006, 11:30 AM
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on headers we had to use camaro headers and we tryed to follow s&p article and advice on insall they put it in a 98 chevy we used 94 basiclly the same
on the throttle body and computer its easyer and cheaper to use a camaros than aftermarket conntroler on stock esspecilly if the contoler fails no throtlle
you could use a stoke comp from a bone yard from a camaro the drawback is rev-limmiter stock settings for only 300 to 350 horse not to mention all the other stock settings
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