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Old 01-15-2009, 04:44 PM
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ls1 gto question

hey i just joined this forum. I am building an ls1 64 gto and was wanting to know where u guys know of that i can get the motor mounts, oil pan, etc. sorry i just havent had time to research it with school and work and all of that... thanks guys!!

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hey i just joined this forum. I am building an ls1 64 gto and was wanting to know where u guys know of that i can get the motor mounts, oil pan, etc. sorry i just havent had time to research it with school and work and all of that... thanks guys!!
If you feel that you must ruin a perfectly good classic Pontiac, the parts you need can be found anywhere that you would buy parts for a '64 Chevelle. Personally, I think a Pontiac should have a Pontiac engine, as a Chevrolet should have a Chevy.

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Too funny, every time WDC posts, he (or she ) posts a big ole pic of his Pontiac pulling the left front wheel 6 inches higher than the left. I bet 200 of the last 232 or whatever posts have been of this.

Just an observation.

Double D, you are in the twilight zone on swaps. Oil pans from an 'F-body' should work. As far as engine mounts, there are (to my knowledge) no direct bolt in's. Fabrication is in your future.

Keep us posted, sounds like a cool build.
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If you want to put an LS1 motor like the newer GTOs have i say go for it !
people sometimes need to just keep there opinions to themselves. They are both GM motors, not like your putting a ford 5.0 motor in your pontiac
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If you want to put an LS1 motor like the newer GTOs have i say go for it !
Yeah, all he'd have to do is get the engine covers the late model GTO had.
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IF you are dealing with an original 64 GTO..... installing anything except an original 389 will cut the value by more than half. If on the other hand the car is really a LeMans and you are building a GTO clone, do what you want cause you'll probably increase the value of a LeMans no matter what you do to it, even if God forbid, you install an LS1. (Sorry but I believe Chevy engines belong in Chevys.)
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(Sorry but I believe Chevy engines belong in Chevys.)
And I believe Hemi engines belong in Chrysler products.
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Too funny, every time WDC posts, he (or she ) posts a big ole pic of his Pontiac pulling the left front wheel 6 inches higher than the left. I bet 200 of the last 232 or whatever posts have been of this.

Just an observation. B]
Yep, and I like it everytime he does the post like that...

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IF you are dealing with an original 64 GTO..... installing anything except an original 389 will cut the value by more than half. If on the other hand the car is really a LeMans and you are building a GTO clone, do what you want cause you'll probably increase the value of a LeMans no matter what you do to it, even if God forbid, you install an LS1. (Sorry but I believe Chevy engines belong in Chevys.)
Not to be a smart alec but, LS1's are GM "corporate engines" not just some re-invention of the SBC as many times as it is compared to them, the LS1 is about as similar to an sbc as it is an early pontiac. The only thing they have in common is the amount of cylinders, the angle they are banked at and the valve actuating mechanisms(cam in block).

If one was to exchange the ol' 389 tri power(or whatever im just giving an example) with an ls1 some of the nostalgia and Monetary value may be lost, but perhaps someone actually planning on DRIVING a vehicle THEY've invested 10's of thousands of dollars in, maybe they wouldn't mind giving up some nostalgia and monetary value for drivability, fuel economy and most importantly(to me) power.

I realize it's hard to state a counterpoint on the net without coming off like an jerk, but seriously i'm not trying to be a condasending(sp?).
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[QUOTE=C-10]Too funny, every time WDC posts, he (or she ) posts a big ole pic of his Pontiac pulling the left front wheel 6 inches higher than the left. I bet 200 of the last 232 or whatever posts have been of this.

Just an observation.

I like that picture because my son is the big guy directly above the scoop, but this is another good picture:

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Not to be a smart alec but, LS1's are GM "corporate engines" not just some re-invention of the SBC as many times as it is compared to them, the LS1 is about as similar to an sbc as it is an early pontiac. The only thing they have in common is the amount of cylinders, the angle they are banked at and the valve actuating mechanisms(cam in block).

If one was to exchange the ol' 389 tri power(or whatever im just giving an example) with an ls1 some of the nostalgia and Monetary value may be lost, but perhaps someone actually planning on DRIVING a vehicle THEY've invested 10's of thousands of dollars in, maybe they wouldn't mind giving up some nostalgia and monetary value for drivability, fuel economy and most importantly(to me) power.

I realize it's hard to state a counterpoint on the net without coming off like an jerk, but seriously i'm not trying to be a condasending(sp?).
General motors lost me, and a lot of other loyalists, Pontiac, Buick, and Oldsmobile, and maybe a few Cadillac owners, even thought they ended up with the North Star, when they mandated the use of the corporate engine in all GM vehicles. It's still a chevy designed block! Advanced engineerining development stopped, for Pontiac, when the Firebird started to outperform the Corvette. GM said Back Off! So screw corporate engines in anything other than a chebby.

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Not to be a smart alec but, LS1's are GM "corporate engines" not just some re-invention of the SBC as many times as it is compared to them, the LS1 is about as similar to an sbc as it is an early pontiac. The only thing they have in common is the amount of cylinders, the angle they are banked at and the valve actuating mechanisms(cam in block).

If one was to exchange the ol' 389 tri power(or whatever im just giving an example) with an ls1 some of the nostalgia and Monetary value may be lost, but perhaps someone actually planning on DRIVING a vehicle THEY've invested 10's of thousands of dollars in, maybe they wouldn't mind giving up some nostalgia and monetary value for drivability, fuel economy and most importantly(to me) power.

I realize it's hard to state a counterpoint on the net without coming off like an jerk, but seriously i'm not trying to be a condasending(sp?).
I understand where you're coming from. I get the same sinking feeling when I see a Challenger or Cuda with a late model hemi. Although drivability and fuel economy may be improved the entire soul of the car has been lost, not to mention a good deal of its value. If you've been watching Barret-Jackson this week you will notice that the "resto mods" are bringing WAY less money than the restorations. A GTO without a 389 IMHO isn't a GTO. What made the GTO WAS the 389. Without that its just another LeMans.
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I don't look at it like Creech and Centerline do at all....It's your car, do as you please with it.,...if you want to put a Studebaker engine in it, go ahead. Mounts etc are the same from a Chevelle . Whether they fit the later small block I am not sure.

I don't, but some might say that Creech's car is ruined with its tube frame, tubbed rearend and all........How could you do that to a "classic"??........
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Studebaker even used a Packard engine, in th Golden Hawk, in 1956, but Pontiac didn't use anything but a Pontiac until GM started the mix and match program, in the 70s.

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