[gearheadslife]

when the brands come back under another company that just happens to be a "holding" of the same owners.. you'll know the real reason for this move..

[lakeroadster]

Originally Posted by gearheadslife

when the brands come back under another company that just happens to be a "holding" of the same owners.. you'll know the real reason for this move..

Even the teamsters knew the local bakers union should have taken the deal. Common sense says don't bite the hand that feeds ya.

You mess with the bull, you get the horn.

[delawarebill]

Originally Posted by lakeroadster

Even the teamsters knew the local bakers union should have taken the deal. Common sense says don't bite the hand that feeds ya.
You mess with the bull, you get the horn.

don't bite the hand that feed u..??? your kidding right ???
i suggest u look back 75 yrs and see the working conditions a company put its worker through.. i have worked on both sides of this.. union member and first line management. u treat your people fairly and u get a ton of work from them.. treat them like a dog and u get bit.. unions made a big difference in conditions, pay and benefits.. yes sometimes things went to far. my father worked the coal mines in PA and he told me stories i don't think u'd like to work in.. he got a trade and left...

[gearheadslife]

Originally Posted by lakeroadster

Even the teamsters knew the local bakers union should have taken the deal. Common sense says don't bite the hand that feeds ya.

You mess with the bull, you get the horn.

wonder if your employeer said, starting next week we will pay you 1/8th of what we did this week. oh and not our poblem if you can't pay your rent now.. we have the cards, take it or leave it.. as there are no jobs..
it's so easy to say the union was stupid..
untill we put your feet in the fire..
maybe email your employer to let them know you feel this way,, and you'd welcome a pay cut, cause, well you wouldn't want to bite the hand that feed's ya, RIGHT... right
If the owners where willing to replace the management that ran the ship aground.. twice.. they'd have a reason to have faith that the company will survive.. knowing that the same group that put them in bankruptcy court twice is not going anywhere.. most know, they'll be back in bankruptcy court for a 3rd time.. how many times do the employees have to take it on the chin.. as they run it into the ground..
but we'll give you 25% stake in the company.. but that 25% is worthless and never will be worth anything unless the management changes.. as they'll run it into the ground yet again..
we'll never know the WHOLE truth.. but if the union reps thought the company would be able to stay afloat. they'd have worked with the owners,, clearly they had no faith in the future plans the company was putting forth as their new plan that turn it around..
the owners if they didn't know before, nkow now that they can charge more ofr the products.. and will bring it back.. with low wage workers,, and laugh all the way to the bank.. some say that was the plan in the first place.. after the courts wouldn't viod the union contract..

[wretched ratchet]

My Grandpa always said that 'nothing' was always or never and I've found that to be the case in 'most' cases. It probably applies here also. However, my only encounter with Unions has been on two occasions, once in the Musicians Union which was out of necessity but for a very short time and the other was when I was hanging drywall in the Rocky Mtns of Colorado. The latter caused me to think about some of the Union's thinking at that time.

Case in point: My partner and I were hanging drywall by the square foot in Condos in Summit County Colorado (non-Union) and then one day, because of the lack of work in Denver, I suppose, some Union hangers came in and started working by the hour (whatever scale was at that time). Anyhow, we would hang at least twice the amount of sheetrock that they would and therefore we made more money (that was our entire purpose - - "to hang as much drywall as possible" ==== $$$$$$$) Now we had no problems with the Union dudes because they were far less competition than other hangers that hung by the square foot as we did. However, one day the Union dudes came over to the unit we were working in and told us that "we were taking food out of their families mouths by hanging more and making more than they were ! ?????????????

We very "politely" told them that we preferred get paid for the amount of work we did rather than the amount of "time" we were on the job site !

[gearheadslife]

and if you're there and you have to wait in a plumber or electriction or a city inspector, you don't get payed.. because you get payed on piece work.. not time..

[poncho62]

Originally Posted by gearheadslife

and if you're there and you have to wait in a plumber or electriction or a city inspector, you don't get payed.. because you get payed on piece work.. not time..

Those plumbers and electricians were probably union....thats why they were late......

[gearheadslife]

Originally Posted by poncho62

Those plumbers and electricians were probably union....thats why they were late......

hardy har har....

[wretched ratchet]

Originally Posted by gearheadslife

and if you're there and you have to wait in a plumber or electriction or a city inspector, you don't get payed.. because you get payed on piece work.. not time..

What? - - - you lost me, Bro
I don't know what you're smoking but I'll take a hit anyhow.

FWIW, we got paid "every" Friday for whatever we had nailed on the wall. Even if the unit wasn't finished yet. Got a funny story about an "Inspection" not getting done by the time the hangers got to the site but that's another story for another useless thread.

[against all odds]

Irregardless of all.


Twinkies = Junk.

[against all odds]

Actually, the best thing to do would be to stop thinking about, talking about, and eating twinkies.

[wretched ratchet]

Thank you Dr. Phil !
We got it already OK?

[poncho62]

Originally Posted by against all odds

Irregardless of all.


Twinkies = Junk.

According to the doctors, so is Pepsi, chips, cookies........red meat.........dairy products.....etc, etc, etc........

Way to suck the fun out of everything..........

[1Gary]

Well as it worked out the union decided to settle.So the company isn't going o close up shop.I can't tell you how many times I have heard the very old story about when unions came onto the workforce because of poor working conditions.Being 65 yrs old,I can remember striking for 7 1/2 cents over three yrs.We where penny less for the three months we where on strike.Never made that money back.
It might serve today's unions to learn they don't own a darn thing.Companies will do what they please and that includes closing up the business.No one here can't say they haven't seen a union run a business into the ground until the cash cow ran out of money.

But anywho yea Twinkies are back.

[NEW INTERIORS]

If no one lose's their jobs.. It's good news..