[wretched ratchet]

Originally Posted by gearheadslife

I think what he's try'n to say..

I understood what he was trying to say - no need to flower it up any. His opinions and his nose are in other people's bizz and he needs to ****.

[CrashFarmer2]

Originally Posted by gearheadslife

I think what he's try'n to say.. is if you see the product/company not doing so well, and after the 1st chap11 didn't really get much better and was slowly heading for that iceburg again.. you might want to start thinking of finding another job.. being shocked that they went belly up.. should've not been a reaction from anyone employed there..
the hammer doesn't fall that fast.. it was a long time coming..
there is a local company up here on the ropes.. the smart employees are beating the rush and looking for jobs in that industry before the hammer fails.. others will act shocked when it does finally fall.. but the signs have been there for that last few years.. some see the water coming in. and jump ship.. others watch it circle the drain and go "what happened"
more will follow in this companies footsteps as more and more food comes from china..YA CHINA.. and fold as the public buys the cheaper item..
the scary part is the amount of organic and natural foods that are coming over from china.. if they have antifreeze in baby formula.. the natural foods should be yummy...

I don't think I'll be buying any Chinese Twinkies. In fact if I see China on the label of any food it's not going in my grocery cart, ICK!!!

I just heard on the morning news that Twinkies are going for $3000 a box on the internet. I wish that I had that kind of money that I felt I could waste $3000 on a box of junk food. I sure as heck wouldn't be buying Twinkies with it.

[wretched ratchet]

Originally Posted by CrashFarmer2

I just heard on the morning news that Twinkies are going for $3000 a box on the internet. I wish that I had that kind of money that I felt I could waste $3000 on a box of junk food. I sure as heck wouldn't be buying Twinkies with it.

Crash, I think those ?people? with that kind of mentality belong to the same ?tribe? that I saw camping out for a week waiting for Black Friday to arrive. One "IDIOT" even said that his family was going to bring Thanksgiving Dinner to his tent so he wouldn't lose his space in line. Kinda makes you wonder about the stability of this Nation don't it?

End of temporary hi-jack,
Em

[DougMN]

Originally Posted by lakeroadster

Hostess lost $341 million in its fiscal 2011, with an operating profit margin of negative 1%. Ding Dong, the Twinkie is dead? Maybe, in Hostess' union spat - Los Angeles Times

Teamster members who work for Hostess Brands voted against the agreement 52 percent to 48 percent. Forty one percent of Teamsters eligible to vote on these contract changes cast ballots. IBC-Hostess Update | International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT)

There is a Hostess factory here in Denver. Hostess has been "unstable" for quite some time. With a negative 1% profit margin, Hostess shutting down seemed inevitable to me.

I am confused as to why only 41% of the union members voted? I bet that would change if they got a chance for a do-over.

Hang on folks it's going to be a bumpy ride for the good ole USA.

Apathy, the 59% that didn't vote probably figured the end was coming either way.

[DougMN]

Originally Posted by lakeroadster

The unions had a big hand in this companies downfall. The union contract wouldn't let the bread products (such as Wonder bread) and the bakery products (such as Twinkies and Ho-Ho's) to be delivered by the same truck, had to be two trucks instead of one.

And when they got to the store with the goods, the driver wasn't allowed to unload the truck.

This is exactly the kind of sillyness that creates 4 jobs where 1 job is needed. That's great for the union, 4 people paying dues instead of one.

The problem is to be competitive Hostess needed to be more efficient.

Hostess management said work rules from existing labor agreements made it hard to improve productivity and spend money efficiently. For example, some rules required different workers to deliver bread and cakes, the company said. Twinkie Maker Hostess to Close - WSJ.com

More company propaganda.

[DougMN]

Originally Posted by MARTINSR

I am entertained by the thought that it wasn't the unions fault....in the end. Sure it was, did the management do a poor job up till then, yes, but in the end it was the unions fault. They basically voted to close the company. They called Hostess' bluff and lost.

Brian

What is wrong with you?

[lakeroadster]

Originally Posted by DougMN

Apathy, the 59% that didn't vote probably figured the end was coming either way.

Originally Posted by DougMN

More company propaganda.

Originally Posted by DougMN

What is wrong with you?

Got any facts, figures or actual knowledge related to this subject or do you just like throwing bombs and running away?

[against all odds]

Originally Posted by lakeroadster

Got any facts, figures or actual knowledge related to this subject or do you just like throwing bombs and running away?

i think it's silly how we, the union, the company and workers are fussing OVER TWINKIES FOR FREAK SAKE!

This is silly and childish.

( i just like throwing bombs and running away)

[DougMN]

Originally Posted by lakeroadster

Got any facts, figures or actual knowledge related to this subject or do you just like throwing bombs and running away?

Where do you get " running away" do you have any facts or figures to back it up?

[against all odds]

What we, as a society, need to be focused on are (in order of importance):

1) Identification, prevention of child abuse in any form. As well as abuse in general.

2) Health and medical advancement.

3) Space exploration.


Not fussing over cake.

[poncho62]

Originally Posted by against all odds

What we, as a society, need to be focused on are (in order of importance):

1) Identification, prevention of child abuse in any form. As well as abuse in general.

2) Health and medical advancement.

3) Space exploration.


Not fussing over cake.

99.9% of the people here realize its about the people involved, not the cake.

[lakeroadster]

Originally Posted by DougMN

Where do you get " running away" do you have any facts or figures to back it up?

Each post I have made has links to information lifted from various sources.

Comments like "What's wrong with you?" and "More company propaganda" add nothing to the dialouge of this thread, without some data to justify your position.

[against all odds]

Originally Posted by poncho62

99.9% of the people here realize its about the people involved, not the cake.

But it IS about the cake, man. If it weren't for the twinkies there would not be any controversy over jobs.

The problem is we are all putting the jobs before the cake. The very reason for the existence of the jobs was/is the cake.

(p.s.---this is funny---we got two separate arguments going on here.......) This, in itself makes the thread a winner. Not the topic of employment as it relates to hostess, again.

[poncho62]

99.9%...I rest my case

[wretched ratchet]

Wow, you "Unioners" must be getting triple time posting on Thanksgiving, eh????

Wishing you ALL the happiest and most blessed Holiday,
Em