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Old 10-20-2005, 06:56 PM
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Metal meet

I went to the metal meet today in Oblong, IL,
now being a lead man I always thought I was an excellent metal finisher and worked with enough body men in the last 30 years that I thought I was one of the better ones out there.

Well, I now know I was wrong and in just one day have learned I don't have a clue about metal finishing.
If your using metal hamers and dollys, you don't either!

I could only attend for the one day and there were masters there, guys that were good and first timers.
The great thing was is everyone was helping anyone that wanted help.

If I owned a body shop it would be closed for the week and all painters and body men would be required to attend.

Folks, I meant some of the best in the country, every state was represented.

Next year I will be there for the four days as I'm not too old to learn.

My punishment is I will write I am a butcher 10000 times!
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I'M jelious as hell Barry,, I would give my left do dad, to attend one of those meets,, I know one will come this way someday,, like you say,, if I live long enough,,, Glad you enjoyed it,,, Bill
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I went to the metal meet today in Oblong, IL,
Did you get to meet Randy Ferguson?

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I sure did!

I even got to see his willys body he made! Its not fair!

The guy is a card and wired with 220 as he is always going a 100 mph.

Best part all he did was go around and help other people on their projects.

Hell of a teacher!
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Barry-
I hope you met Dutch Comstock or Kerry Pinkerton. Both are AWESOME guys. Dutch has a regional meet at his place in Herkimer NY in July, the week after or before the Syracuse Nationals. Kerry attends every year, and brings his e-wheels. I've been to the last 2 regionals. No describing it, other than a humbling experience, huh? Hard to explain the comraderie of these guys.
I don't care if you are 12 years old, or 70. These guys will embrace you under one condition. That you want to learn. Thats it. Relative strangers all coming together to learn and pass on the craft.

Here' where I'm gonna make ya jealous big guy !

November 7, I will be taking the '39 Chevy to Dutch's to chop it. Of course, I will be there to help, soooooo I get to spend a week to learn with the master metalworker, while getting my car done. Life sucks, huh? LOL

The guy thats absolutely phenominal is Wray Schelin. He isn't going this year, but he was Randy's mentor.

Randy is a trip, isn't he? I knicknamed him "Thor". The guy can keep pounding metal all day!!
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I meant so many people there, no way can ever remember the names.

Once Randy introduced me, it was non stop questions for rest of day, in 8 hours had time for one cup of coffee and one trip to ladies room.

Randy makes the show!
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....and one trip to ladies room....
That's sounds like a story by itself...


I'm envious! That must have been a great gathering. Glad you got to go

Don't forget to send me that jobber info for Houston when you get back!
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Hi Barry,

I got in Thursday afternoon and setup in the east building. By the time we got unloaded and setup and made the rounds you were gone. Would have liked to have met you.

MetalMeet is the best fun you'll ever have working your tail off.
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Well, I now know I was wrong and in just one day have learned I don't have a clue about metal finishing.
If your using metal hamers and dollys, you don't either!
???? I don't understand (as usual)
What am I suppose to be using?
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I got in Thursday afternoon and setup in the east building. By the time we got unloaded and setup and made the rounds you were gone. Would have liked to have met you.
Keith

I thought you were involved in this, I was asking if you were here in morning,
all I got was no.
Barry Damn!


What am I suppose to be using? JC Clark:

Wooden baseball bat, sand bag, plastic hammer.
Hey I'm learning so the pros will need to handle this question.
Barry

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Enzo Ferrari's boys used a wooden mallet, section of leaf spring and a convex tree stump to form the bodies in the early days.

Metalshaping is a near lost art that is slowly being revitalized as a result of the Discovery Channels TV shows.

Other stuff you can't live without:

Flexible Templates (probably MOST important for reproducing a shape)
Slappers (can be made from a leaf spring)
Dollys made of obscure things like shot puts, oxygen tank valve covers, 1" bolt heads that are ground to a dome, etc.

How to make a Flexible Template:
Before you start, you need to go to a sign shop, and buy a roll or two of 1" and 2" wide "Release Tape". Its a low tack tape that sign guys use to put vinyl letters on with. Then stop and pick up some nylon strapping tape at a stationary store.

1.) Clean the panel that needs to be reproduced.
2.) If panel is bad, fix with Bondo , or bang out to shape as best as you can. The more accurate the shape, the more accurate your reproduction will be.
YOU CAN USE THE SHAPE FROM THE OTHER SIDE IF ITS 100% OPPOSITE.
Meaning, if the left side is a mirror image of the right side, USE THAT.
3.) Apply Release tape at a 45* angle on the panel, with edges meeting, but no overlap if possible.
4.) Apply Nylon strapping tape 90* to the Release paper, with minimal overlap.

Carefully remove both layers of tape. Apply some talcum powder, bondo dust, whatever, to the release papers adhesive. You now have a template of the shape you are trying to reproduce, showing ALL of the shape.

IF YOU WANT TO REUSE THE PATTERN , do not use the talcum. Apply another layer of tape on the INSIDE of the pattern, and cut the ragged tape edges. Apply a nylon tape border around the perimiter.

OK, now drop the pattern on a flat sheet of sheetmetal. The loose areas indicate where the metal will need to be stretched. And the tight areas need to be shrank. As you pound (stretch) the metal, it fits the flexible template more and more. You will need to learn how to "tuck shrink" in order to save yourself a ton of time, as well. (See Metalmeet.com ) This is where the baseball bat comes in handy. The bat is cut so that you are using the very end of the bat (striking end), and the handle of the bat becomes the handle of the mallett. The yard sale bat is a CHEAP way of making a durable mallet with enough depth to accomodate most projects. The leather shot bag, or convex tree stump gives the metal a place to go. The shot bag can be something as simple as a plain purse filled with washed sand (avoid silicosis).
You don't have to spend tons of cash. Just be creative, and pay attention to the way the metal moves.
Now you have a lumpy piece of metal thats close to your pattern. You have 3 choices. E-Wheel, plannishing hammer or Slapper and dolly. The first 2 are self explainitory.
Using a slapper is nothing more than having a dolly to support the metal, and striking the raised portions of the metal to flatten it out, being careful to not alter the shape of the metal you are creating. As the bumps go down, adjust your force. Basically, you are using the slapper like a wide hammer.
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Barry,

It was good to meet you at MM05. I appreciate your interest and support. The event was a success from MetalMeet and the community point of view. We will be meeting with the Oblong Fair Board soon to begin planning for next year.

MM 06 will be held October 17 - 24, 2006 again in Oblong, IL.

Hope to see you there.

Doug
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Thanks Doug!

I'm glad I did get to meet you!

I don't think I have ever met a better bunch of guys.

What an education it was!

Barry
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