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Old 10-14-2007, 12:48 AM
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A 5 year old post ... and the original guy NEVER made another post ...

I have used a 4 speed in a 32 Ford ... and I used a 60's model Chevrolet truck bell housing and the complete hydraulic clutch/brake master cylinder setup from the Chevy pickup. The setup has two cylinders ... one for the clutch and one for the brakes.

I did this many years ago ...

I used the hanging pedals and the brake master cylinder ... everything ... from the pickup. This put the brake/clutch hydraulic dual cylinders on the firewall. I also had drum brakes ...

I would not do it that way now ...

I do not like the cylinder on the firewall ( looks )
I do not want to run a single cylinder master cylinder for the brakes ( safety )

Your results may vary ...
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Deuce, glad to here your reply. I've been researching hydraulic clutch setups all day. Picked up a Saginaw close ratio 4 speed for my deuce yesterday and have been thinking about how to do a hydraulic clutch rather than engineering a Z bar system.

Any other tips??
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I used an 88 Chev pu master in my 59 (also used an 87 chev pu bell and slave just to keep it simple-needed a spacer ring for the trans).

this master would mount inline with the pedal, if you are not adverse to a clutch master sticking out of your firewall. The 87 pu master mounts at an angle way low closer to the frame rails.

www.classicchevy5speed.com should have some hydraulic ideas on their website----kinda pricey tho.

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Old 11-21-2007, 06:18 PM
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IF ... you were running a SBC ...

It would be easy ...



When I ran dirt track cars ... I used hanging pedal setups from Wilwood, Coleman had some nice ones also. But the Tiltons were the nicest IMHO ... for the $$$ spent.



A hydraulic throw bearing setup works great ... What MOPAR engine are you planning on using ??
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Old 11-21-2007, 06:20 PM
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Whoops----this would work for pedals that are hung.

But I suppose something could be worked out for the pedals that sink into the floor (what are those called )
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Whoops----this would work for pedals that are hung.

But I suppose something could be worked out for the pedals that sink into the floor (what are those called )
Resessing pedals?? I don't think they have a name for them... I have a '53 edition Motors manual w/ a glossery I'll have to look
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.............What MOPAR engine are you planning on using ??
You had to ask??? A 331 Hemi topped with 3 deuces of course.

After looking around I found this which is a conversion system for SBC in Jeeps that looks like it would work well, especially since I'll be running a SBC bellhousing for the Saginaw 4 speed. Looks to be very compact and uses a Jeep master. Haven't figured out the peddle system yet but the dual hanging type does look interesting. The only problem I can see is that I don't want either a brake or clutch master cylinder on the firewall. I know someone makes a dual 90* unit but can't remember who at the moment.

Just remembered its Krugel Komponents but I'm not too hot on the $300+ price tag.

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The stock early 60's truck V8 SBC bellhousing would work and has the slave set up ... all GM factory engineered ... should be cheap in the junk yards .

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The stock early 60's truck V8 SBC bellhousing would work and has the slave set up ... all GM factory engineered ... should be cheap in the junk yards .

I'm going to do some hunting in the local yards in a couple weeks (before it snows) but I have to finish the cabinets in my shop first. Then I have to run down to Phoenix to pick up a 12' section of industrial shelving for all my engines and associated parts. Once I get all that stuff done I can unpack all my shop stuff and parts. It's only been 2 1/2 years since I've been able to work in the garage but I think the wait was worth it. At least now I have room to move and a new two post lift comes in the spring. I'll keep an eye out for the Chevy truck setup.

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Also the 87 Chev pu bellhousing has a slave mount on the driverside.
I think the later ones (crewcab exception) either have the hyd. TO bearing or the mount is cast into the passenger side of the bell.

I bought my 87 bell at the chevy store.
If you go this route, I would strongly suggest shopping at different dealers for pricing.

I saved nearly $100 going to a dealer on the north side of town, vs the dealer nearest me.

Bryan
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Kugel Komponents have an underdash 90* setup - but there sure isn't a lot of extra room there on an 'A'. Everything is hidden out of sight and it is not very inexpensive starting at ~$430

http://www.kugelkomponents.com/produ...akesystem.html

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The kit @ that price would not be bad ... and all new too. Also the newer bellhousings are aluminum and the old Chevy truck one is cast iron. If you are going to put the cylinders under the floor ...



Around here there are a good many race car pieces and parts available used. A floor mounted set of pedals could solve a lot of your issues and free up room under the cowl. Also with the Koorey body ... you would not need to reinforce the firewall or dash areas ... just cut a few slots in the fiberglass floor ...

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If the car has a Model A or repro frame(this is a TCI), there is not a lot of room under the floorboards either - it's at least a foot narrower then a '32. The C4 trans is a fair resemblance to a standard.

The brake arm is there but no pad

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He is using a 32 Frame with a 32 3W body ...

There is more room under a 32 ... not a lot but there is enough for a clutch pedal.



The 700R4 is wider than a 4 speed Saginaw ... and my brake booster and pedal could go over the the left almost 1 inch ... and the further back the stuff is ... the more room you gain.



TCI has the above for sale ... so it can be done ...
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