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Old 09-14-2011, 04:07 PM
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so, i'm trying to rebuild my 700r4 and I came upon a series of videos on youtube by a guy named KevinGalindo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfpyz...eature=related It is a well done video, real clear and slow with good views on everything he is talking about. ( i would recomend it, but i don't know enough about the subject to know if there are any mistakes).
Anyway, my question is - he says if you use the Beast sunshell that you have to modify the low roller inner race, where it contacts the Beast by grinding off 1/32 of an inch of metal at the edges where it contacts the Beast or it will grind and send metal through the tranny. I have not seen that anywhere else and would like to know if it is true. Thank you in advance for a response, your site has been very helpful already.
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Old 09-14-2011, 05:26 PM
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so, i'm trying to rebuild my 700r4 and I came upon a series of videos on youtube by a guy named KevinGalindo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfpyz...eature=related It is a well done video, real clear and slow with good views on everything he is talking about. ( i would recomend it, but i don't know enough about the subject to know if there are any mistakes).
Anyway, my question is - he says if you use the Beast sunshell that you have to modify the low roller inner race, where it contacts the Beast by grinding off 1/32 of an inch of metal at the edges where it contacts the Beast or it will grind and send metal through the tranny. I have not seen that anywhere else and would like to know if it is true. Thank you in advance for a response, your site has been very helpful already.
Mark
ive never had to do any modicfication to to the "beast" or to the low roller race. i dont see how it can interfere as the rear sun gear is what goes through the center support which houses the low roller inner race.
makes me wonder if the guy you mentioned used the provided washer that comes with the "beast" sunshell.
now, i have heard that there can be some interference on the real late 4l60e's that use a roller bearing washer on the reaction carrier/front ring gear but, have not run across that issue as of yet since i dont build these units every day.
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This is my first one of these so I appreciate your patience. It looks to me like the sun gear goes on the sun shell then it grabs onto the output shaft, however the part that the sun gear goes into does make it down far enough so that it rides inside of the inner race. He (guy in video) says that it would be tight there if'n you don't grind that material off. the link i gave in the first post is the first in the series. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFVEMhCHZRU at 8:10 is where he talks about the clearance issue.
He is working on a 4l60e as opposed to a 700r4, if that makes a difference.
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No modification neccessary for using The Beast. The Beast will come with it's own plastic washer that replaces the factory 4 tab washer. No interferance when using late bearing style input reaction hub or 4L65E low/reverse spring and roller assembly. I use this combo on all my Race and Pro Race 700's and 4L60E's, and it works great.

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BTW, I watched the first part of the assembly video you posted, just to see what this guy is about. It's pretty informative. He does leave a few tips out, and I didn't think ANYONE still used the load release (boost) springs in the 3-4's anymore. A big no no, if you want the 3-4's to hold up. This was a major "design flaw" in the late 700's and 4L60E's. Hydramatic had a false theory that the 3-4's were trying to centrifically lock under high RPM's, so they installed these springs to force the top and bottom pressure plates apart. The problem is, fluid pressure can't overcome these springs quick enough to apply the clutches quick enough or with enough clamping force. I've never used these springs in ANY 700 / 4L60E that I've ever built, and I don't have repeated 3-4 failures like those who reinstall them do. I have these things being shifted at over 7000 RPM's in race cars, so the high rpm's lock-up theory doesn't hold water.
One other upgrade is to use (6) 700 R4 3-4 steels that are .077" and (7) fristions. This gives you one extra clutch, but still uses steels thyat are thick enough to prevent warping. Some "Performance" 3-4 kits use 9 frictions, but the steels are .063", which makes them warp when introduced to any heat. If you have a clutch choice, I'd request Borg Warner High Energy frictions for the 3-4's.

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Good Info Frank,
I hadn't heard anything definite up/down on the centrifugal apply. Good to know it's not an issue. X2 using the Thick steels.

Mark,
Good parts ID & selection/availability Info here >> http://www.transmissioncenter.org/700r4_Parts_List.htm
Lot of good Info/Tips here also >> http://www.transmissioncenter.net/700r4.htm

Todd
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I just wanna thank all three of you for responding. It is pretty cool of ya'all to get on this thing and answer questions for a complete stranger. I will not be grinding on anything, and i will leave thoses little double springs out. Thanks again. Mark
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