Moving the engine rearward, how far..? - Page 2 - Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board
Hotrodders.com -- Hot Rod Forum



Register FAQ Search Today's Posts Unanswered Posts Auto Escrow Insurance Auto Loans
Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board > Tech Help> General Rodding Tech
User Name
Password
lost password?   |   register now

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 11-17-2012, 09:50 AM
Augusto's Avatar
From the middle of the world
 
Last wiki edit: How to rebuild an engine Last photo:
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Ecuador, South America
Age: 51
Posts: 1,312
Wiki Edits: 6

Thanks: 4
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irelands child View Post
14st 9 pounds - geeeeeze. You Nort'ners think all of us here don't know good stuff like that

Agusto - don't think you can really shift the engine to the right too much and run generally available headers. Why not just find a huge engine (454 to ???) and install it - lots easier then chopping out a firewall and cobbling up brakes and clutch as well as your leg room. Then there is the problem of just working on the engine and the added time to do simple jobs like adjust valves or even change spark plugs.

Even this is tough to work on:

I don't plan on making a hole in the firewall like the one in your pic, my idea is removing it intact and moving it rearwards with everything attached to it, brake and clutch included, this will not alter the geometry of anything, all the stuff will still be in the same place only a few inches back. I will also remove part of the floor attached to the firewall, so the trans tunnel and shifter hole will still be in the same place but closer to the rear.

    Advertisement
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 11-17-2012, 10:16 AM
OneMoreTime's Avatar
Hotrodders.com moderator
 
Last wiki edit: Health and safety in the shop or garage
Last journal entry: Yard Dog pic
Last photo:
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Washington State
Age: 69
Posts: 7,367
Wiki Edits: 3

Thanks: 47
Thanked 150 Times in 142 Posts
Just had one of my brain locks but if there are no rules to speak of why not place the engine in the bed..?? I think with a shorty glide and a tubbed solid rear suspension like a dragster it has a chance of working...Just for grins...

Sam
__________________
I have tried most all of it and now do what is known to work..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 11-17-2012, 10:29 AM
Irelands child's Avatar
Registered User
 
Last wiki edit: Ford engine specifications Last photo:
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Upstate New York
Posts: 4,914
Wiki Edits: 8

Thanks: 14
Thanked 205 Times in 186 Posts
Agusto - I tend to agree with Sam about putting the engine in the bed as I think that cutting out a firewall and moving it back opens up even more problems. If you do want to keep the engine in the front, just remove the firewall and start over with a fabricated 20ga sheet metal replacement then use a race car oriented pedal system like a Wilwood or Howe (yeah, I know where you are and the problems with importation)

Poncho, a stone is ~14 pounds. Dang, I thought you Commonwealth folks were still figuring that way

Dave W
__________________
Irelands child
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 11-17-2012, 10:59 AM
geezer69's Avatar
Die standin' up
 

Last journal entry: geezer69 nova 63
Last photo:
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: princeton texas
Age: 63
Posts: 411
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 0
Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts
when i helped a friend move his engine bach it wasnt that hard to do but . i think he told me that in his class he runs in that you cant mod the fire wall. anything to that guys.id hate to see a feller get in a mess for doin it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #20 (permalink)  
Old 11-17-2012, 11:05 AM
OneMoreTime's Avatar
Hotrodders.com moderator
 
Last wiki edit: Health and safety in the shop or garage
Last journal entry: Yard Dog pic
Last photo:
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Washington State
Age: 69
Posts: 7,367
Wiki Edits: 3

Thanks: 47
Thanked 150 Times in 142 Posts
I have not been active in racing for quite some time but back in the day you were allowed 10% setback in gas class and 25% in altered..that was measured from the centerline of the front axle to the #1 plug...Some of the stock chassis will allow a 10% setback with not a lot of work..An el-camino is not one of them..

Sam
__________________
I have tried most all of it and now do what is known to work..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #21 (permalink)  
Old 11-18-2012, 05:53 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Rochester,Pa.
Posts: 18
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Like everybody says, watch the rules, one thing you don't want is a straight driveshaft from trans to rear end. You'll get a vibration. Even a couple degrees works
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #22 (permalink)  
Old 11-18-2012, 07:58 AM
Augusto's Avatar
From the middle of the world
 
Last wiki edit: How to rebuild an engine Last photo:
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Ecuador, South America
Age: 51
Posts: 1,312
Wiki Edits: 6

Thanks: 4
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by OneMoreTime View Post
Just had one of my brain locks but if there are no rules to speak of why not place the engine in the bed..?? I think with a shorty glide and a tubbed solid rear suspension like a dragster it has a chance of working...Just for grins...

Sam
Please don't tell me this, I might end up doing it..!!

pulling wheelies has been a recurrent dream for years lol lol
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #23 (permalink)  
Old 11-18-2012, 08:00 AM
Augusto's Avatar
From the middle of the world
 
Last wiki edit: How to rebuild an engine Last photo:
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Ecuador, South America
Age: 51
Posts: 1,312
Wiki Edits: 6

Thanks: 4
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by engineertom View Post
Like everybody says, watch the rules, one thing you don't want is a straight driveshaft from trans to rear end. You'll get a vibration. Even a couple degrees works
my friend, we have the best rules: NO RULES
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #24 (permalink)  
Old 11-18-2012, 08:08 AM
Augusto's Avatar
From the middle of the world
 
Last wiki edit: How to rebuild an engine Last photo:
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Ecuador, South America
Age: 51
Posts: 1,312
Wiki Edits: 6

Thanks: 4
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irelands child View Post
Agusto - I tend to agree with Sam about putting the engine in the bed as I think that cutting out a firewall and moving it back opens up even more problems. If you do want to keep the engine in the front, just remove the firewall and start over with a fabricated 20ga sheet metal replacement then use a race car oriented pedal system like a Wilwood or Howe (yeah, I know where you are and the problems with importation)

Dave W
Dave, we have good news about importing stuff, the government has made things easier a lot, we even have a tax break for things weighting up to 4kg and/or $400.00 and several couriers charge $4.00 per pound from Miami Florida to Ecuador, Summit and Amazon love our country now

Making a firewall from scratch is another option I was thinking, I would love making it out of aluminum but I'm a little short on cash... as usual

And since I tore up everything from my car I definitely will move the engine, I'll do it before I start with the roll cage, seems like the more I move it back the better will be, am I right..??
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #25 (permalink)  
Old 11-18-2012, 08:38 AM
Augusto's Avatar
From the middle of the world
 
Last wiki edit: How to rebuild an engine Last photo:
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Ecuador, South America
Age: 51
Posts: 1,312
Wiki Edits: 6

Thanks: 4
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Here's the toy

A pic of my ElCamino, as you can see I fabricated this "truck" from a Malibu sedan, welded the rear doors and built a bed from scratch, I left the cab a little extended to have some extra room in the cab for a subwoofer or something, but when I decided to make it a drag car that room is not needed anymore, now it would be ver useful to relocate the driver's seat very rearwards and allow me to get the engine inside the cab.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC05397.JPG
Views:	94
Size:	350.3 KB
ID:	69221  
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #26 (permalink)  
Old 11-18-2012, 10:16 AM
OneMoreTime's Avatar
Hotrodders.com moderator
 
Last wiki edit: Health and safety in the shop or garage
Last journal entry: Yard Dog pic
Last photo:
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Washington State
Age: 69
Posts: 7,367
Wiki Edits: 3

Thanks: 47
Thanked 150 Times in 142 Posts
Heavens to Murgatroyd..you have a lot of room to set the engine back..get the seat back up against the rear bulkhead and put in a firewall box and dash and bring the engine back a bunch..If you tub that puppy with some nice wide slicks then wheeliville here we come..

Sam
__________________
I have tried most all of it and now do what is known to work..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #27 (permalink)  
Old 11-18-2012, 11:06 AM
Augusto's Avatar
From the middle of the world
 
Last wiki edit: How to rebuild an engine Last photo:
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Ecuador, South America
Age: 51
Posts: 1,312
Wiki Edits: 6

Thanks: 4
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by OneMoreTime View Post
Heavens to Murgatroyd..

Sam
thanks God for the internet:

Heavens to Murgatroyd

Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #28 (permalink)  
Old 11-18-2012, 11:10 AM
Augusto's Avatar
From the middle of the world
 
Last wiki edit: How to rebuild an engine Last photo:
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Ecuador, South America
Age: 51
Posts: 1,312
Wiki Edits: 6

Thanks: 4
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by OneMoreTime View Post
Heavens to Murgatroyd..you have a lot of room to set the engine back..get the seat back up against the rear bulkhead and put in a firewall box and dash and bring the engine back a bunch..If you tub that puppy with some nice wide slicks then wheeliville here we come..

Sam
See I can probably move the engine 16 inches or more.

there's no room for tubs, the frame is too wide in the G body's, but I'm thinking of fabricating a 4 link or ladder bars rear end, I have to get rid of the 7.5 anyway, I have a 12 bolt with 4.11's ready for it.

I'm considering a LINCOLN LOCKER diff also.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #29 (permalink)  
Old 11-18-2012, 11:23 AM
gearheadslife's Avatar
MentalMuffinMan
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,283
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 114
Thanked 297 Times in 275 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Augusto View Post
thanks God for the internet:

Heavens to Murgatroyd

Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #30 (permalink)  
Old 11-18-2012, 11:36 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Rochester,Pa.
Posts: 18
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
You guys got it all wrong, put the engine in the bed facing the rear of the truck, trans behind it and the rear end in the front of the car. That way there's no way you'll do front end wheelies. Putting a DeSoto Hemi in my 54 Chevy, found out the old car ain't as big as I thought when the engine goes into the firewall
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

Recent General Rodding Tech posts with photos

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name (usually not your first and last name), your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
moving rear rearward, pros and cons? leldai73 Suspension - Brakes - Steering 6 02-11-2008 06:23 AM
Moving along seaswirl Hotrodders' Lounge 0 12-09-2006 02:12 PM
Moving.....again WakBordr7387 Off-Topic 13 10-03-2006 11:00 AM
We're moving! Nightfire Hotrodders' Lounge 6 05-01-2005 05:59 PM
moving engine back on frame swoodard23 Engine 5 01-09-2003 05:02 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:17 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
Copyright Hotrodders.com 1999 - 2012. All Rights Reserved.