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Old 05-04-2007, 08:29 PM
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Is it a muscle car if it isn't carberated?

Just a question to spawn a good debate. I personally think that it can still be a muscle with fuel injection. My buddy says it isn't. What do you think, and why?

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I think not.
I think if it doesn't have a carb, or multiple carbs, it doesn't fit my definition of a muscle car. The possible inclusion of a car with mechanical fuel injection can be evaluated on an individual basis, but anything with a computer, ecm, or any type of "sensor" in it from the factory is not a muscle car.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_car

I'm sure that the youth of today will want to apply the terms of a better time to the cars of today, maybe to add some character to them. In 1969 all cars didn't look alike, as many of them do today.

That's what I think.

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To me, its not about weather or not it has fuel injection. Its about the year of the vehicle. Musclecar to me is something manufactured in the 60's and early 70's when there were horse power wars and v8 engines, little or no emissions requirements. Weather fuel injection, superchargers, ect has been added to it or not, to me its a muscle car. The Buick grand national although a very fast car, to me is not a muscle car. A honda four banger with turbos, nos, ect is not a muscle car. And a saleen mustang, even though it has a v8 and lots of horespower, and recaptures the styling of the muscle car, to me, its still not a muscle car. Even though a car may have a lot of horsepower and be wickedly fast, I don't think that makes it a muscle car. To me, its about what area it was produced in.
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I've always understood it that the Muscle Car Era was from '64 to '72. As much as I like the Vettes in that era, they don't seem to fit because they were considered Sports Cars.

As it was said earlier, I think the term is in reference to not only certain cars, but more importantly, the era. The Muscle Cars all had carbs, so there ya go.
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Old 05-05-2007, 04:29 PM
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Personally, '64-'74 produced cars. If it has an EFI system or LS1 under the hood its still a "muscle car" so to speak.


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I would also say it has more to do with the year. When you hear people talk about muscle cars you also hear them talking about the "muscle car era." Also, to me the term "muscle car" suggest something powerful and unrefined. Hard, boxy lines, probably handles relatively poorly in the turns, and has a bit too much power for its primitive suspension to launch properly without the proper touch. Crank windows, manual steering, manual shift, although I guess those aren't required for the definition.

Take a 2007 mustang or 2002 camaro etc. These cars are also powerful, but they're now a lot more comfortable, start right up in the winter, handle pretty decently, have power everything and cruise control standard. They fit the definition of "sports car" more than "muscle car," I think. They're becoming more like fast cars from around the world. I always thought the term "muscle car" was a sort of contradiction to the standard of finesse that euro cars had. Nowadays you take a 65,000 dollar vette and park it next to an Maserati you're starting to see some pretty similar stuff. Europeans still pick on us for poor handling cars, however.

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So what would new cars be called with big HP#?
I agree. A muscle car is of the late 60s early 70s but I hear many people call new cars like the mustangs muscle cars.
I would just call them hi-performance cars myself.
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Killer pretty much verbalized my thoughts.

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So what would new cars be called with big HP#?
I agree. A muscle car is of the late 60s early 70s but I hear many people call new cars like the mustangs muscle cars.
I would just call them hi-performance cars myself.
Some people call them sports cars, some people call them street machines, some people call them hi-po cars.


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Killer pretty much verbalized my thoughts.



Some people call them sports cars, some people call them street machines, some people call them hi-po cars.


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Some call them "belly button" cars. Seems like everyone has one.
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Some call them "belly button" cars. Seems like everyone has one.
LOL thats pretty good, I like that.
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Killer sort of skirted around the true muscle car. They had a lot of raw, brute force, but were short on the eye candy and powder puff stuff. It took muscle to tame the true muscle car. The first car I think of when you say muscle car is the stripped down 63 409 Biscayne with rubber floor covering and a 4 speed. Granny and Grandpa's Church hauler that was just plum nasty for short, straight line trips. Thank goodness it had a man sized steering wheel!!

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I saw a brand new GT500 at a cruise in the other night. It literally had been just picked up at the dealership, driven home, and then to the cruise in, still had plastic on the seats. I haven't seen a GT500 up close yet and the owner was nice enought to pop the hood. I noticed some things like the supercharger and the DOHC engine, special wheels, front grill, hood, snake emblems, etc. The owner also has a real '68 GT500KR and he said the '07 seemed quicker so far.

That said, as much as I'd like either on of them, I don't thnk I could call the '07 a "muscle car".
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To me, "muscle car" is the style. Big, brawny, and rough. Whether its from the 60's, 70's, 80's or now, if it has that mean styling...Ill call it a muscle.
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I concur on the '64-'72 although there are a few that came a year or two before and a couple '73-'74's that should qualify but that's another thread.. On the other hand, and this one really frosts my cookies...... just because it is a '64-'72 with a V-8 and two doors does NOT mean it is a "Musclecar". I am so tired of seeing 307 Malibus and 318 Satellites advertised as "musclecars". Those were Grandpa and Grandma cars. Once upon a time I had a really nice '72 Chevelle SS with a 350, that was NOT a musclecar , the same car with a 454 would have been a musclecar.
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