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Old 01-30-2007, 11:54 AM
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Mustang front ends...........

OK..............So I'm not a Ford expert, but this has always puzzled me.

Mustang 11 style front ends are the rage amoungst hot rodders..............What is the difference between them and the later model Mustang front ends.....say after 78. Why does no one use them?.......they are much more abundant.......

Never really looked that close at either, so I just dont know..............

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Aren't the later Mustang setups a MacPherson strut style suspension? I don't know.
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Old 01-30-2007, 01:26 PM
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I think the MII has become so populer because the bump is good and the spindles are strong. Good geometry's open the door for those inclined to retrofit the par'ts for lighter compnets like brake and calipers. It's been used so much over the years the name is know quite readily.

I use the pinto spindles because they are light weight, very strong, easliy adaptable for metric calipers and the bearing's are cheap. The spindle arm's are short for racing and they fit the lower control arms I like to use.

Why wouldn't everybody want to use them?
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I was just asking as they must be getting scarce now......I know there are aftermarkets kits of this design made...........where you dont have to hunt down an original part.
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MII are double A arm type with coils. Excellent camber gain, MII have almost perfect steering geometry, and all the stuff he said ^^^^.

Fox body cars are struts. They had a horrible reputation the first few years then aftermarket improved them. They have all the inherant problems of strut type suspensions. Poor camber gain, etc.

The MII kits come in rear steer, front steer, coil over, conventional coil, air bagged. Front strut, rear strut, no strut. Bigger brakes.

Young guys want kits. They don't want to fabricate anything. The easy way out. Can't say that I blame them
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Mustang front ends.......

Hey Im no Mustang -2 front end expert . But understand Mustang 2 or Mustang 11 << Is A 80's Glorified version of the Pinto . These Cars came out in the Late 70,s Too early 80's As I recall .

They were basically Ford Pinto . 2000 Cc 4 cyl or a 2300 cc 4 cyl engine .

Ive never set one up! But as I understand it reason the Hot Rodders like them . Is there a Rack and Pinion Steering , on a conventional A Arm Suspension .

Eliminates the need for a Steering Box <<< Tends too get in the way of the Radiator and or Hoses, fan , Fann shroud etc

Least this is my Understanding why there so Highly Coveted by guy's buildin Hot Rodds . Maybe some body else can Add more too what Ive Said on them ?

Yeah and you Guy's thought Pinto's were worthlesss ? Only Experience Ive had with the Pinto Rack and Pinion steering . Was In a Crossley T- Bucket .

Crossley being smaller than , a Ford or Chevy . We sett are's Up with the Pinto 2000 CC Motor Then I stripped the Pinto rack and Pinion . But as I stated I never got it Sett up .

Dad traded My T- Bucket Too my Uncle , Before the Car was finished ?
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One thing I'm not sure of do people really pull a MII parts off an original MII? Or when people talk about MII's, it's the kit they bought from a manufacturer that was designed around the MII geometry. Is that how it got started by taking parts off an MII donor?
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One thing I'm not sure of do people really pull a MII parts off an original MII? Or when people talk about MII's, it's the kit they bought from a manufacturer that was designed around the MII geometry. Is that how it got started by taking parts off an MII donor?
Yep...thats how it all got started...then the aftermarket folks decided to get in on it and its a good thing because the Mustang stuff is getting hard to find and when ya do find it...its worn out and needs re-building.. so yeh...the kits are the way to go.
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First there were the guys who cut all the ugly away from the 74-80 Pintos and/or Bobcats and 74-78 Mustang IIs and used the original crossmembers. The original setups have an a-frame up top and a single control at bottom with a strut rod running to a bracket at the frame rail and bolt-on rack & pinion steering gear. The early 71-73 Pintos use a clamp-on rack and smaller brakes that the later ones. These clamp-on racks were used often on Corvair frontends used under hotrods from 26-34.
Then somebody (perhaps Progressive Automotive in MD)designed a cut and weld crossmember of sheet steel to eliminate the sheet metal construction of the OEM crossmembers.
Then came the GM disc adaptions and larger calipers on custom brackets.
Then full lower a-frames.
Then widened crossmembers and narrowed a-frames and coil-overs and airbags and so on.
Every one in rodding should know who the designer of this most universal and wonderful suspension and steering setup was and celebrate his talent forever, BUT I have never seen any mention of who, what group of men, in Ford design and engineering is responsible. I guess they will remain among the unsung heroes of the hotrodding community.
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IMHO ...

It is Monkey see and Monkey doo ...
A folks of folks go to it because they read and hear about it in the books ... They are NOT for everything. A Mustang II does not weigh in at 4000 lbs ... and a lot of the vehicles that they are being installed it do weigh that much ... bad idea in my book. PLUS ... they are ugly in early Fords ...
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I have seen a lot of women that are ugly in early Fords, but their owners put them in there anyway.....

I agree. Some people have a horrible eye for esthetics, form, and function.

Double a-arms in a fenderless highboy.... How can somebody stay drunk long enough to complete that installation ??????
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Aren't the later Mustang setups a MacPherson strut style suspension? I don't know.
yes the later model stangs are macpherson or mcpherson strut both same thing depends on how you wnat to spell it.basicl they went to these to save "weight" and the more important to manifactures save money. less parts equals less money spent on the part itself and labor of haveing someone install it. just hought i throw in my 2 cents but im sure everyone already knew that.
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