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I say start with a roller block.

spend money on heads first before stroking. a 350 with a good set of heads is better than a 383 with a "bad" set of heads.

Start with a complete roller 350 block with vortec heads. Modify the heads to handle more lift, add a larger yet mid roller cam with matching springs, add the efi system. If you have money left in the budget then stroke it with an internal balanced 383 kit.

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I say start with a roller block.

spend money on heads first before stroking. a 350 with a good set of heads is better than a 383 with a "bad" set of heads.

Start with a complete roller 350 block with vortec heads. Modify the heads to handle more lift, add a larger yet mid roller cam with matching springs, add the efi system. If you have money left in the budget then stroke it with an internal balanced 383 kit.

Vortec engines are nice, but an LT1 comes with the fuel injection he wants, is a roller block, has decent heads, and bolts in. The two biggest draw backs are 2 bolt mains and Optispark- both of which can be fixed.

Either approach is good, but if you want a good fuel injection setup I think starting with an LT1 will be cheaper.
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There are guys who have gotten some amazing performance from the LT1, even w/the stock injectors running higher fuel pressure and EFI/ECM set-up (re "chipped", obviously).

A while ago one of the car rags had some guy w/a '96(?) Camaro/6-speed running into the low 10's like that. The car wasn't gutted, did have some suspension work done, and a different rear end/gear. Totally DD-capable.
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So, I should keep my eye's open for a short block 383 setup for roller cam and rockers and dress it from there. Make sure it has an internally balanced crank. Stock heads, Vortec or otherwise, will suit my purpose, and 600 - 1600 should start me off for a block... Am I more or less correct?
If I go roller, what year ranges for block am I looking at or does it matter? I thought it was just cams and rockers, but I was reading something that was saying you need a kit of some kind to put roller parts into a non roller block... is this true?
I'll probably hold out till I find a 383 block ready as oppose to running a 350 and stroke it later, mainly I'm in no hurry, secondly I don't have anything to run a 350 in... but... there is a grand prix from the 80's for sale, and a 70's "Bandit" styled Trans AM thats got me thinking...
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So, I should keep my eye's open for a short block 383 setup for roller cam and rockers and dress it from there. Make sure it has an internally balanced crank. Stock heads, Vortec or otherwise, will suit my purpose, and 600 - 1600 should start me off for a block... Am I more or less correct?
If I go roller, what year ranges for block am I looking at or does it matter? I thought it was just cams and rockers, but I was reading something that was saying you need a kit of some kind to put roller parts into a non roller block... is this true?
I'll probably hold out till I find a 383 block ready as oppose to running a 350 and stroke it later, mainly I'm in no hurry, secondly I don't have anything to run a 350 in... but... there is a grand prix from the 80's for sale, and a 70's "Bandit" styled Trans AM thats got me thinking...

I'll sell you a Vortec block for 1600!

If you're just lookin for ways to piss away someones time why didn't you ask about putting a 14-71 blower on your Jag XJ220. At least that would have had more merit.

Sorry to be ticked, but seems like there have been a lot of useless threads started lately. Its okay if your build doesn't go the way you thought it would originally but at this point you're just as likely to be driving a Ford 2N as a car with a chevy 383 in it.
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kill two birds with one stone, find a 96-00 5.7L vortec engine still all together. that way you would have your heads and block already there. see if any of your local junk yards have any 96-98 chevy/gmc full size trucks (this is how i have found them easiest to find in the past) but that was also about 8 yrs ago, the last time i built one of these motors
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Clone the HT383 crate motor. 350 HP/430 Ft.Lbs. with a torque curve as flat as the Kansas prairie.
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Well a 2N is nice in all but I don't think it has the top end I was hoping for.
I think I will go with the LT1 suggestion because it seems to fit what I'm looking for.
So, Amazon books...
Thank you for the suggestions
If anyone has any other points or advice I'll still be checking on the thread
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I would rather go with one of these before I built another 383 from scratch, but they are more money

dart heads

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I would rather go with one of these before I built another 383 from scratch, but they are more money

dart heads

bill mitchell

this thread is from March.

here is a cost compairison:
machined/clearanced block = 600.00
Scat 383 rotating kit = 1000.00
extra balancing = 250.00
total = 1850.00

DART 372 (400 block, 350 crank) 3000.00 + s/h = 3200.00

that is a savings of = 1350.00

now for the forged set up
machined/clearanced block = 600.00
Scat 4340 rotating kit = 1600.00
extra balancing = 250.00
total = 2450.00

Bill Mitchell 383 = 5083.68 + s/h = 5283.68

that is a savings of = 2833.68

and yes the aftermarket blocks are better, but if the build is ment for less 550hp (which the OP goal was 415hp) then the aftermarket block would be a wasted expense.

i can tell you this much the only shortblock i would be willing to spend almost 5300.00 on would be for a large displacment BBC (with and aftermarket block) ment for 750+hp/tq
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