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Yeah sad parts is its always more than you think I have yet to hit a buget I have set for my engines that old thought always pops in my head well if im do this I might as well do this and this and before I know it budget gone last couple I havent even set a budget I just add it all up when done and see what damage is

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My buddy gave me these Erson alluminum Roller Rockers. They are stamped as 1.50. Are these any good? will they work for my build?

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My buddy gave me these Erson alluminum Roller Rockers. They are stamped as 1.50. Are these any good? will they work for my build?

If you are building a small block they are size you need. They are just as good as Crane, Comp, etc.
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If you are building a small block they are size you need. They are just as good as Crane, Comp, etc.
Ok thats good. Now these seem to be "well used". Anything i should look for as far as play or wear? They have side to side play on the roller and the rocker but little to zero up and down play. They came to me covered in oil build up. Im soaking them in gas right now. I tried to clean one up for the picture. They seem to have a lot of marks in the alluminum, Antyhing to be concerned with? Will these be strong enough assuming they are not damaged to rev up 7k if need be?
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Ok thats good. Now these seem to be "well used". Anything i should look for as far as play or wear? They have side to side play on the roller and the rocker but little to zero up and down play. They came to me covered in oil build up. Im soaking them in gas right now. I tried to clean one up for the picture. They seem to have a lot of marks in the alluminum, Antyhing to be concerned with? Will these be strong enough assuming they are not damaged to rev up 7k if need be?
The problem w/used aluminum roller rockers is you do not know their history. Aluminum work hardens and becomes more likely to fail w/the more use they see. If they were used w/a solid lifter cam, or high spring pressure, or high rpm, or all of the above they can see a lot of wear. Any nicks or scratches can cause a crack to develop if the defect is in the wrong place or is bad enough. I'm not saying these will self destruct, who knows, they may outlast the engine. But what I AM saying is you need to at least clean and inspect them carefully, because a rocker arm failure can- in a worst case scenario- destroy the entire engine.

After cleaning they should be absolutely smooth when you turn the trunnion and the roller tip. The trunnion can move side to side but there shouldn't be noticeable up and down play. There should be NO gritty or notchy feeling to them when clean. You can take them apart for cleaning and inspection by removing the outside C-clips. Inspect the race for brinelling and and roller elements for pitting. Use some assembly grease or vaseline to hold the needle bearings in place when you put them back together, same theory but different grease as you do w/U-joint caps and needles.

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Yeah sad parts is its always more than you think I have yet to hit a buget I have set for my engines that old thought always pops in my head well if im do this I might as well do this and this and before I know it budget gone last couple I havent even set a budget I just add it all up when done and see what damage is
The most expensive words in any rebuild are "Might as well" goes for houses to bicycles.

Take it apart and measure everything buy everypart at the same time and build all at once. This way you may still spend the same but you can get the budget right before you whip out the credit card.
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The problem w/used aluminum roller rockers is you do not know their history. Aluminum work hardens and becomes more likely to fail w/the more use they see. If they were used w/a solid lifter cam, or high spring pressure, or high rpm, or all of the above they can see a lot of wear. Any nicks or scratches can cause a crack to develop if the defect is in the wrong place or is bad enough. I'm not saying these will self destruct, who knows, they may outlast the engine. But what I AM saying is you need to at least clean and inspect them carefully, because a rocker arm failure can- in a worst case scenario- destroy the entire engine.

After cleaning they should be absolutely smooth when you turn the trunnion and the roller tip. The trunnion can move side to side but there shouldn't be noticeable up and down play. There should be NO gritty or notchy feeling to them when clean. You can take them apart for cleaning and inspection by removing the outside C-clips. Inspect the race for brinelling and and roller elements for pitting. Use some assembly grease or vaseline to hold the needle bearings in place when you put them back together, same theory but different grease as you do w/U-joint caps and needles.

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A couple have damage around the pushrod slot as if the push rod escaped at one time and rode outside the groove for a while, Perhaps from over reving the motor? and on one the Rocker is tight and im sure needs replacing of the bearings at the least.

Heres the state i found them in versus after i cleaned them up with a wire brush.





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"Rode hard and put up wet" comes to mind. That coating on them could be from some kind of 'preservative'. Still, I would rather see you spend on a set of Harland Sharp or Scorpion or Yella Terra (I have no experience w/those), or even Comp Cams. You could even use stamped steel rockers if this isn't a high performance build.

But if you want to see if these are salvageable, take the worst ones apart and see what the rollers and races look like first. I have no idea if you can still buy replacement parts for these or not, but I'm sure you can find out.

Also check to see that these rockers take the same size stud as you are using. From here they look like 7/16", stock stud size is 3/8". Upgrading to 7/16" studs wouldn't be a bad idea, they're not expensive.

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"Rode hard and put up wet" comes to mind. That coating on them could be from some kind of 'preservative'. Still, I would rather see you spend on a set of Harland Sharp or Scorpion or Yella Terra (I have no experience w/those), or even Comp Cams. You could even use stamped steel rockers if this isn't a high performance build.

But if you want to see if these are salvageable, take the worst ones apart and see what the rollers and races look like first. I have no idea if you can still buy replacement parts for these or not, but I'm sure you can find out.

Also check to see that these rockers take the same size stud as you are using. From here they look like 7/16", stock stud size is 3/8". Upgrading to 7/16" studs wouldn't be a bad idea, they're not expensive.
Ok now should i dunk them in motor oil and store them in a bag to prevent rust while they sit waiting to be installed? As far as stud size i javent purchased heads yet so i can just buy heads with 7/16 studs right? If these are more risk/hassle then they are worth i will gladly just buy a new set.
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Ok now should i dunk them in motor oil and store them in a bag to prevent rust while they sit waiting to be installed?
Sure, why not. Or put them in a covered coffee can of oil, just so there's no more dust and dirt getting on them.
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Sure, why not. Or put them in a covered coffee can of oil, just so there's no more dust and dirt getting on them.
Sounds like a plan. And sorry i added to my last post.
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Sounds like a plan. And sorry i added to my last post.
If you haven't bought heads yet, I'd say to go ahead and get them w/7/16" studs. But if you want to use these rockers, just be sure to measure them to see what size stud they use, and buy the heads accordingly.

Now, as to whether or not to use these rockers: I tend to not tell guys what to do. Instead I try to give enough info to let them decide for themselves. This is one of those cases. I cannot be your conscience here. If I say "Sure, use them, they'll be fine!", then they take a ragged dump on you and that takes out your engine, I'm not going to be there to help you pick up the pieces. And neither is anyone else on this board.
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If you haven't bought heads yet, I'd say to go ahead and get them w/7/16" studs. But if you want to use these rockers, just be sure to measure them to see what size stud they use, and buy the heads accordingly.

Now, as to whether or not to use these rockers: I tend to not tell guys what to do. Instead I try to give enough info to let them decide for themselves. This is one of those cases. I cannot be your conscience here. If I say "Sure, use them, they'll be fine!", then they take a ragged dump on you and that takes out your engine, I'm not going to be there to help you pick up the pieces. And neither is anyone else on this board.
Fair enough. I guess ill see what its going to take to get these 100% and then decide if its worth it.
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the aluminum will still be 35 years old
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Check out these roller rockers. Scorpion Race Series Rocker Arms SCP1001BL - SummitRacing.com. I think you would have peace of mind bolting on a set of Scorpion roller rockers.
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