[mitmaks]

I was just wondering who makes paint for Napa? SW, etc? It's probably not PPG as their paint is low quality.

[matt167]

Martin Senour. not low quality, just not a top brand like PPG or Dupont..

[Bayou_Eagle]

Martin Senour is basically re-branded Sherwin Williams products.

[MARTINSR]

M-S IS the exact same as in a S-W store, EXACTLY the same product. And YES it stands against PPG and Dupont. Pound for pound, if you are comparing top of the line with top of the line or value line with value line they will go head to head with PPG and DuPont. I have to pull out the Waterborne at that point though, I feel that the S-W waterborne has some problems.

Brian

[Centerline]

I completely agree. I've used DuPont, PPG and Martin Senour and they are all comparable products. I'm using a Martin Senour single stage on my Deuce and I actually like it better than the PPG I used on my truck.

[deadbodyman]

Originally Posted by MARTINSR

M-S IS the exact same as in a S-W store, EXACTLY the same product. And YES it stands against PPG and Dupont. Pound for pound, if you are comparing top of the line with top of the line or value line with value line they will go head to head with PPG and DuPont. I have to pull out the Waterborne at that point though, I feel that the S-W waterborne has some problems.

Brian

Going by brians Handle, I'd say you can take that too the bank.... Didn't MS get taken over by SW?

[MARTINSR]

Originally Posted by deadbodyman

Going by brians Handle, I'd say you can take that too the bank.... Didn't MS get taken over by SW?

If you want a history lesson, back in 1936 Martin Senour was a varnish company. Napa auto parts wanted a private label paint to sell. Sherwin Williams bought Martin Senour and used the name for the Napa label which was put on S-W paint for them.

Yes, I was a Martin Senour rep from 95-2000. I used it for a number of years before, and have used S-W for the past 8 years.

If there was one thing I learned from being a rep, a good painter will paint with ease any of these brands. I had nothing to offer that was any greater than any other and neither did they. They weren't going to walk into a S-W shop and slay them with some brilliant product, didn't happen.

They are all pretty similar as long as you are talking apples and apples with the same "line" quality.

Brian

[Niko1080]

Originally Posted by MARTINSR

If there was one thing I learned from being a rep, a good painter will paint with ease any of these brands. I had nothing to offer that was any greater than any other and neither did they. They weren't going to walk into a S-W shop and slay them with some brilliant product, didn't happen.

They are all pretty similar as long as you are talking apples and apples with the same "line" quality.

This post should be read by everyone in the Body-Exterior forum. There is so much truth here.

[MARTINSR]

Originally Posted by Niko1080

This post should be read by everyone in the Body-Exterior forum. There is so much truth here.

Now, on the same note there will be "stand out" products or qualities of a certain brand over another, HOWEVER at the same time the other will have "stand out" products or qualities over the first.

NONE, have the holy grail that blows away all the rest in every way, it just doesn't happen.

Brian

[xpsyclonex2002]

As far as teh value lines go, would you say that the MS crossfire paint is as good as the others? Does it hold it's color over time? The reason I ask is that I plan on painting my car mopar "panther pink". I had a previous car that color and the color faded pretty quick.

[Centerline]

Originally Posted by xpsyclonex2002

As far as teh value lines go, would you say that the MS crossfire paint is as good as the others? Does it hold it's color over time? The reason I ask is that I plan on painting my car mopar "panther pink". I had a previous car that color and the color faded pretty quick.

I used PPG Omni single stage on my truck. It didn't cover as well as I expected but still came out very nice. I'm using MS Crossfire single stage on my deuce and it covers better than the PPG Omni IMHO. I sprayed the Omni (Hemi Orange) over light gray primer and I'm spraying the MS Crossfire (1964 Ford Candy Apple Red) over Zink chromate (green) primer and it covers in two medium coats. After using both I like the MS products a little better than PPG, at least their value line.

[benchracer1]

has anybody had any experience with the restoration shop or kustom shop products sold by tcp global?

[matt167]

I'v used restoration shop acrylic enamel, and i think I like it better than PPG Delstar. sprays a lot nicer

[oldBodyman]

" I had nothing to offer that was any greater than any other and neither did they."

Almost! MS factory pack black was THE blackest black on the market, PERIOD. It was black enough to piss-off Porsche owners to no end.
(Yes, my '65 Cyclone is Blacker than your Carrera.)

It had NO tint or shade to it, it was the purest BLACK, could not be repaired with anything else. MS is fine quality paint.

[MARTINSR]

Originally Posted by oldBodyman

" I had nothing to offer that was any greater than any other and neither did they."

Almost! MS factory pack black was THE blackest black on the market, PERIOD. It was black enough to piss-off Porsche owners to no end.
(Yes, my '65 Cyclone is Blacker than your Carrera.)

It had NO tint or shade to it, it was the purest BLACK, could not be repaired with anything else. MS is fine quality paint.

That actually falls under this post

"Now, on the same note there will be "stand out" products or qualities of a certain brand over another, HOWEVER at the same time the other will have "stand out" products or qualities over the first.

NONE, have the holy grail that blows away all the rest in every way, it just doesn't happen."

Brian

I did paint my brothers Roadster in S-W (in another label as is M-S, it was the "Acme"!) black. I went to a paint store who had a three lines, I bought black in every line and sprayed them out, S-W was the blackest, hands down.