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I have watched NASCAR since the mid 60's. Today's show is just that , a semi scripted show. Sure in the hell isn't what it used to be.

The script:
all car bodies will be identical to the thousandth of an inch,
all engines will produce the same +/-6 hp.
All cars will use the same compound tire,
all cars will use the same shocks,
all cars will use the same gear ratios,
All openings in all cars will be the same.
All sealed compartments will be the same.
all sponsors must be approved
all personnel are censored
all actions not covered by the above are covered under the most undefined and broadest reaching rule of all, Actions detrimental to NASCAR as decided by NASCAR.

They put on a good show, the outcome isn't predetermined, but it sure in the hell isn't pure racing either.

Thank God the France family hasn't found a way yet to mandate it to be as boring as F1.

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What you just wrote is what I said that NASCAR the Corp. wants, but you know what the pit crews and drivers are not remote control robots. The faster you get out of the pits is important and it usually comes down to who can outdrive who at the end of the race.

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F1 has its faults, for sure- qualifying is uber-important and the race can be mostly a "follow the leader" deal after the first lap or two. BUT- this year there have been a different winner each of the first four races, and the pole sitter has only won two of the four races. And Alonso won in a Ferrari from 8th place- so the racing is very, very good IMHO. Schumacher is competitive again as is Mercedes, Vettel is only ahead by the slimmest of margins, and the rest are close behind (10 points separate first from fifth, you get 25 points for a win).

OT- Garrell, I hope your dog is OK. I just got back an hour or so ago from the vet. I took in a stray black cat (~ 6 mo. old) for neutering and to have his tail looked at (thought he had been in a fight). Turns out the tail wound was a gunshot- through and through .22 or high powered pellet gun. I would probably end up in jail if I knew who did it, but that's another story for another time- if then.
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I love F1 also especially this year and I pull for the old timers anytime and would love to see Schumacher win again. One of the more enjoyable series is the Nationwide series and you can recognize the Mustang and Challenger but I don't understand why Chevy does not run the Camaro instead of staying with the so called Impala. The drivers are real hungry for the most part and the full time Nationwide drivers are winning and not being dominated by Cup drivers as usual.
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Why are Cup drivers in the Nationwide series? Why are Cup drivers WRECKING Nationwide points leaders? Tonight, Joey Logano and Denny Hamlin, both Cup drivers with NO interest in the Nationwide series championship, WRECK the Nationwide points leader Elliot Sadler. Why are those two jokers (and Kurt Busch) even on the track? At least shrub saw fit to remain in the spotter's box.
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pile Busch is a coward, he's in the box because if he sets a wheel on a Nationwide track, he'd be wrecked. He's relying on the sportsmanship of the other drivers to not take out one of his cars, being as how an uninvolved driver would take a points hit if they did. Coward through and through, just like how he ran away from Harvic of all people (at least they're about the same size) after the Southern 500 a few years ago, wrecking Harvic's car in the process. They both got fined and probation.

So Danica wrecked hell outta Hornish after the Bristol race (although not on pit road) and nada done by NASCAR about it. Not that I think they should have necessarily, I'm not convinced the problem between them was totally due to a random tire going down as she was coming by, like Hornish maintains... but just saying there's a lack of consistency IMO.
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Don't know why they do it except for the extra track time, but they have as long as the two series existed. Dale Senior won the then Bush race at Daytona for ten years in a row but that was a Joe Gibbs car that Logano was in. One reason maybe if they do well with their Cup driver in to keep them high enough in points and the sponsors happy so developmental drivers can go in occassionaly for experience.

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Why are Cup drivers in the Nationwide series?
A couple more reasons:

EZ money
Pressure from sponsors
Get to pre run the track
They ARE racers
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A couple more reasons:

EZ money
Pressure from sponsors
Get to pre run the track
They ARE racers
Cup drivers in Nationwide sell tickets. NASCAR wants some of them there to be "the lost leaders" and draw the crowd.
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Loss leaders.
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It can also boost a young comer's career to win and beat a few cup stars
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Loss leaders.
Thank you very much, don't no what my dam fingers were thinking.
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I started to simply state since you left yourself wide open but I Didn't want you to think I was serious.

Maybe there were not?
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Aw hell
Maybe they were not working?

Redos don't have the same effect do they.
Did Dale Jr. not win again last night?
Did Danica not win again last night?
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Usually if the NW drivers are asked what THEY think of the Cup guys racing in their series, they say fine and dandy- better competition, chance to learn, etc. It seems it's those of us who don't race that dislike it the most.

Then there's the start and park guys in Cup. They qualify, run a few laps then retire w/a 'vibration'. At least some of them do it to support their NW series cars... but where do you draw the line there? Let them all do it w/o regulation? Or only do it if they're NW series regulars? Or let them do it because they were once competitive in Cup? Or because they're "nice guys"?

Or should the practice be banned across the board unless the car really failed? I can see it now- parts and pieces falling off the start/parkers the first 5 laps of every cup race, causing yellow flags, etc. So that ain't gonna work. I don't know what would, either.

Personally I think NASCAR is allowing it to keep them from materially affecting the race. NASCAR doesn't want a rolling chicane and wrecks caused by guys motoring around 10 mph slower than the field, and lord knows they have the money to pay these dudes 40th place money for parking.
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