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Old 05-13-2012, 07:46 AM
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...this year there have been a different winner each of the first four races...
Make that FIVE different winners! All with different cars/teams, BTW.

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Usually if the NW drivers are asked what THEY think of the Cup guys racing in their series, they say fine and dandy- better competition, chance to learn, etc. It seems it's those of us who don't race that dislike it the most.

Then there's the start and park guys in Cup. They qualify, run a few laps then retire w/a 'vibration'. At least some of them do it to support their NW series cars... but where do you draw the line there? Let them all do it w/o regulation? Or only do it if they're NW series regulars? Or let them do it because they were once competitive in Cup? Or because they're "nice guys"?

Or should the practice be banned across the board unless the car really failed? I can see it now- parts and pieces falling off the start/parkers the first 5 laps of every cup race, causing yellow flags, etc. So that ain't gonna work. I don't know what would, either.

Personally I think NASCAR is allowing it to keep them from materially affecting the race. NASCAR doesn't want a rolling chicane and wrecks caused by guys motoring around 10 mph slower than the field, and lord knows they have the money to pay these dudes 40th place money for parking.
NA$CAR doesn't want a partial field...so they let the start and parks continue.
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A lot of the start and parks could probably strain their equipment and maintain a fast enough speed to stay on the track longer. Most of them own their own team, have one maybe two cars and one engine to last the season, they bring a set of tires left over from the last race and they have maybe two paid crewmembers and a few volunteers that work free and are glad to get in the track. The owner/driver is usually someone that has raced all there life and know of no other way to make a living.
The teams with sponsors that run all the races and try to make the chase and some just want to stay in the top 35 in points put in a fresh engine before every race and have three of four sitting in the trailor. They buy 8 to 12 sets of tires at every race and have probably an average of 17 crew members and enginers. I think a set of tires are now around $1800.00 per set and an engine from $60,000.00 to $100,000.00. If the parkers were not at most races and there were short fields it would look bad for NASCAR so these guys pay the entry fee and qualify. They run just a few laps and make an engine last all season and stretch a set of tires probably three races including qualifying and come in with mechanical problems.
They still have to have a transporter and tractor, travel all over the country and have lodging and some nutrition so the money they get for 40th place is not all profit and if they get caught up in a wreck and tear up there equipment they are out of business until thet get it going again. Cost have gotten ridiculous I think brakes, rotors, disc and pads are maybe $8000.00!
I kind of feel sorry for these guys in a way trying to hold onto a life they love and I guess as long as they get off the track quick and don't cause an accident then no harm done.

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how do they "keep" the tires for all season when they are leased from Goodyear and are issued at each race. NASCAR does not allow anyone to hold onto race tires in fear of " illegal testing". Are they allowed to use the same tires and Goodyear impounds them between races, and if so why does Goodyear and NASCAR allow them to run a different tire at a given race then the rest of the field.

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You're right about them not allowing different tires being run and et cetera. Not trying to speak for Garrell, but I think the main point is the s&p guys are running on the cheap- be it by using a set of tires longer or buying less of them, period (after all they don't run the race, all they need to do is practice just enough to qualify).

I bet they'd do it if they could, though. But too much chance the tires would be treated w/traction compound, or competitive tire makers would get a hold of them while they're still 'fresh' (they can get tires, but they're gonna be well used or flat/worn plumb out) or like you said they'd be used for clandestine testing.

What I'd like to see is a complete all-in-one-place run-down of the pay scale including all the different programs, contingencies and incentives, etc. that make up a NASCAR race payout. It used to be simple- some big name guys got "appearance money" and whatever share of the purse their finishing position earned them. Now you'd prolly need to be a CPA to figure it all out, but IIRC there are guys who can finish dead last and make more than a guy who finishes top-ten.
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Goodyear comes with tires that have been tested earlier by random choice race teams to see what compound is best for that surface in the codition it is that season. As long as it is a Goodyear issued tire Nascar would not care what they run ie. they could not run a Firestone or Hoosier tire. You are correct the teams have to turn any left over tires back in to Goodyear every since a chemical company said they were furnishing the 24 team with a nondetectable chemical to soak their tires in and making them more sticky. Lots of things have changed since I was a member of a team and with my memory problem a point I am not real sure about but I think that if you want x amount of tires for a race you don't get credit for any you don't use. Use to some of the start and park teams actualy bought used tires from the better funded teams as well as clutch disc, alternaters and any parts that the A teams changed after one use.
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Greg Biffle lost an experimental Yates engine during the All Star race on 5-20-12. Couldn't find this photo because I has posted it in the Hotrodders' Lounge forum.


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Well that only cost Jack about $60,000.00 to $80,000.00 for the engine plus whatever that team might have won, but they were experimenting in a non points race. My brother told me that when I first started going to the races with Jack in 1990 that I said they needed around four to five milloin dollars from a primary sponsor for a top team and that sponsors were running down good teams wanting to sponsor them. Now I read that a top team has to have twenty to twenty five million to run the same teams, that why you see the very top teams having as many as three different sponsors to get through a season.

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pile busch returning to trucks

Remember pile putting Hornaday into the wall at Texas last year when Ron was vying for the truck championship?


Anyone want to bet on what lap pile will be put into the fence?

I say lap 60- if he makes it that far...
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Cool thing #1: Last regular season race and busch chokes and doesn't make the chase. Gordon hung on and raced his way into a wildcard spot along w/Kahne.

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Anyone want to bet on what lap pile will be put into the fence?
Well, it was the LAST lap, w/him getting passed for the lead- and the BEST part was, he put himself into the wall!! Beautiful ending IMO. Of course he left w/o an interview.

Cool thing #2: Something I've noticed is that during and after the race yesterday, busch wasn't mentioned hardly at all. In fact, other than calling out the starting grid, I don't recall hearing his name. Seems like the networks have countered his "screw you, I'm going home" attitude when he refuses to give a statement/interview when he does poorly (which is much of the time, it seems), by simply shunning him. Brilliant IMO- you don't want to talk to us? Fine, we don't need to promote you or your sponsors. And you can bet that ain't gonna fly w/the coach or w/the sponsors!
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I forgot this thread existed and I used to post on one after each NHRA event and I think I predicted that Mike Neff would be the funny car champion and someone else that posted regularly picked Ron Capps I think and it looks like it might be between them
Back to Nascar, Bush is not driving so aggressively and not wrecking cars or dominating races so he is not going to get so much press. I think he would be right in the middle of the chase if he had not blown so many engines and fell out of so many races, I am not defending him but he will be back next year I think. I sure hope Jimmy Johnson doesn't get hot and run away with the chase like Stewart did last year. I hope it goes down to Homestead with about four teams that could win the championship. I would like to see the Michael Waltrip cars be in contention especially Clint Bower, he was out of a ride last fall when Richard Childress could not get a sponser for him.
Lets keep this thing going after each thread and maybe some Junior fans will pickup on it and we can have some lively debates.

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Even my 6 yr old says he likes the car (M&M's) but not the driver!
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Good to see you posting, Garrell. Good luck w/the doctor!

The first chase race done. Sure looked like JJ was gonna run away w/it, but that's why they run ALL the laps! The chasers were all up front, mostly. Too bad for Gordon after barely making the chase he wrecks out because of a stuck throttle(?).
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