[model-a]

I was at Richmond last year and he got down a lap,that dude passed 1 or 2 cars a lap,you know when you watch the race on T.V. you see what they show you.When your there you watch who you want,and he was kicking some ***.If I had a team he could drive for me,I think he will go to a better team later on when someone else messes up.

[cobalt327]

Originally Posted by gearheadslife

from day one they ran highly moded cars, with tons of truck parts as the car parts failed.. they found this out way before there was a "nascar"
I'm sick of people bashing nascar because the cars are not stock in any way shape or form.. they post LIES about "back in the day they ran stock cars" they never did.. never will..
the cars "back in the day might have " "looked" stock.. but where nothing of the sort.. it was a lame post and a sorry b/s reason to hate todays nascar, todays cars look as close to the showroom car as can be.. and still keep the drive safe..
unless you agree that a fullframe race car back in the day running a ford frame and front sub and a g.m. truck long arm rear set up. came under any car stock..
even the earliest cars that ran had truck spindles/kinpins/axles/etc etc etc..
yes a fan would know this, and would know that if they used stock cars drivers would be killed every w-end.
who's gonna watch a bunch of 4 door unitbody fwd cars run around..
maybe the brits..
the down under supercar v8's are not as stock as one would think.. and are all done after hitting one tire stop..
if you don't like nascar racing,, that fine.. but the lame reason of they are not stock cars. is just that LAME...
half those that post they don't like the racing haven't been to a live race.. where you can watch the leaders if you want or the mid pack on back that are racing every lap..

That's just not true. The FIRST Nascar sanctioned cars used reinforced wheels on the right fronts to keep them on the car- they WERE NOT "highly modified" by any stretch of the imagination. No where near as modified as a alky runner used to haul shine. Hell, most cars raced in '49 didn't even have a truck counterpart in their make- Lincoln truck? Nope, not then. Olds trucks? Haven't seen one lately. Caddy truck? Hudson? Kaiser? Chrysler? Pa-leeze.

Early on, tires were the REAL problem- not the kingpins, etc. What YOU are talking about were the cars much later than the first years, but you'd know that being that you're such a Nascar super fan and all.

I thank god there's only 4 of these restrictor plate yawners a year. It's nothing more than a stop-gap measure taken to control speeds and the liability of Nascar as a sanctioning body IMO. The "racing" you seem to enjoy mid-pack is nothing more than a wrestling match to stay in the "right" line- there's no passing to speak of, only blocking and counter moves taken to try to get a foot or two ahead so lanes can be changed. That's racing- but not the kind I personally enjoy, and I'm sure not alone.

In my opinion, ragging on a member saying he's not a true fan (whatever the hell THAT'S supposed to be these days) just because you disagree w/him don't cut it in my book. Even if you WERE correct about early Nascar cars, that still gives you no right to call anyone's post lame or to say they're not a fan, etc.

[gearheadslife]

Originally Posted by model-a

I was at Richmond last year and he got down a lap,that dude passed 1 or 2 cars a lap,you know when you watch the race on T.V. you see what they show you.When your there you watch who you want,and he was kicking some ***.If I had a team he could drive for me,I think he will go to a better team later on when someone else messes up.

furn row racing is a (shhhhhh) RCR satalite team..
just like smokes team is almost another hendrick..
when the 29 opens up in '14 if kurt does well this year.. I see him going there as the dillin boy will be in the #3..
you fight a guy they become friends, it wasn't that long ago RC decked kurt..

[model-a]

If Bush get's In a RCR car next year,he will be tough and Richard will keep him in check.

[gearheadslife]

Originally Posted by cobalt327

That's just not true. The FIRST Nascar sanctioned cars used reinforced wheels on the right fronts to keep them on the car- they WERE NOT "highly modified" by any stretch of the imagination. No where near as modified as a alky runner used to haul shine. Hell, most cars raced in '49 didn't even have a truck counterpart in their make- Lincoln truck? Nope, not then. Olds trucks? Haven't seen one lately. Caddy truck? Hudson? Kaiser? Chrysler? Pa-leeze.

Early on, tires were the REAL problem- not the kingpins, etc. What YOU are talking about were the cars much later than the first years, but you'd know that being that you're such a Nascar super fan and all.

I thank god there's only 4 of these restrictor plate yawners a year. It's nothing more than a stop-gap measure taken to control speeds and the liability of Nascar as a sanctioning body IMO. The "racing" you seem to enjoy mid-pack is nothing more than a wrestling match to stay in the "right" line- there's no passing to speak of, only blocking and counter moves taken to try to get a foot or two ahead so lanes can be changed. That's racing- but not the kind I personally enjoy, and I'm sure not alone.

In my opinion, ragging on a member saying he's not a true fan (whatever the hell THAT'S supposed to be these days) just because you disagree w/him don't cut it in my book. Even if you WERE correct about early Nascar cars, that still gives you no right to call anyone's post lame or to say they're not a fan, etc.

believe what you want, the cars and what the rules said are to different things..
the point is everyone calls nascar lame NOW because the cars are not stock.. they never where.. the drivers/ the owners/ the crew from back" day one" say they where not.. no matter what the rule book says..
sorry. I'm tired of people cry'n like girls because they are not running around in fwd unit body cars.. that are in the showroom for the last 20 years..
even in dragracing the super stockers are far from anything the showroom had.. looking stock and being stock is two different animals..
and I have a right to my opinion on that post being lame.. these are the same airchair q/b's that sit infront of the boob tube and never gone to a race.. the pits, the garage, the local tracks, the lower classes(nationwide/truck/modifides)etc..
that never SEE the mid pack racing all day.. they only see the front 5-10 on the tube and a few shots of the mid pack only when the camera man thinks someone might loose it..

go look at those first year cars, they are on display, they are not stock buy any stretch.. I think the guys that built them know.. and would not go on record of say'n they where not stock. unless they wherenot..

your idea that linc/catty/old didn't have truck lines, is flawed, as ford gmc come to mind.. and well. factories looked the other way back then..

if you call moved sub points, adding gussets, adding braces, adding metal to the outer skins, welding on oversided axle bearings(wonder where they got those) stock. then my 80 t/a that ran low 10's was also..

[gearheadslife]

Originally Posted by model-a

If Bush get's In a RCR car next year,he will be tough and Richard will keep him in check.

furn row is RCR.. just not on paper.. as they(owners) can only have 4 teams..

[cobalt327]

Originally Posted by gearheadslife

believe what you want, the cars and what the rules said are to different things..the point is everyone calls nascar lame NOW because the cars are not stock.. they never where.. the drivers/ the owners/ the crew from back" day one" say they where not.. no matter what the rule book says..

The advent of truck spindles and 6-lug wheels was in about '55 or thereabouts. The FIRST cars used nothing that wasn't stock except the wheels as mentioned previously. The rules evolved and are still evolving. If you are saying there were cheating from the beginning, that's another story. Do not confuse that w/the RULES. Hell, the first Charlotte Nascar race winner was disqualified for nothing more than non stock rear springs... do you think that truck spindles and 6 lug wheels (unless the wheels were original) were on ANY of those cars?

...I have a right to my opinion on that post being lame..

OK, then I have the right to say you know nothing that you haven't read somewhere and are not a true fan of Nascar or anything to do w/stock car racing.

[gearheadslife]

yup thats your right..

[Supercharged03]

Originally Posted by cobalt327

I thank god there's only 4 of these restrictor plate yawners a year.

Absolutely. Both this year's Cup race and the Nationwide race were BOORRIINNGG! Luckily, I awoke from my naps in time to see both finishes.

[Supercharged03]

I miss Rockingham!

[cobalt327]

Originally Posted by Supercharged03

I miss Rockingham!

X2. The trucks will be there April 14. Actually, if it weren't for the trucks, some race weekends would be pretty dull IMO. They do more racing in a single fuel run than the Cup cars did the entire Daytona race.

Hopefully the new Cup cars will race better in downforce trim.

[gearheadslife]

Originally Posted by cobalt327

X2. The trucks will be there April 14. Actually, if it weren't for the trucks, some race weekends would be pretty dull IMO. They do more racing in a single fuel run than the Cup cars did the entire Daytona race.

Hopefully the new Cup cars will race better in downforce trim.

only those that watch from the boob tube would say that..
tho the trucks are fun.. the front pack is just like the other(nationwide/sprint) follow, mid pack is the action.. you see more of that at the truck race on tv as there is only what 20-25 trucks on the track..
if that after the few park..

I got it you don't like the fast tracks.. you must not like chess either, because that what those 4 races are..

[model-a]

Let me tell ya the track I miss is Wilkesboro,good times at that track Dale Sr. and Rudd going at it Ted Musgrave 5 laps down taking out Wallace in turn one on a restart. Miss that place

[runn141]

Originally Posted by model-a

Let me tell ya the track I miss is Wilkesboro,good times at that track Dale Sr. and Rudd going at it Ted Musgrave 5 laps down taking out Wallace in turn one on a restart. Miss that place

yes, i cant believe they done away with that place for texas and california. wasnt it 5/8 mile?

[model-a]

Yes I think so I also think that the back stretch was down hill,someone correct me if I'm wrong. What a good race that use to be,like a big gocart track. A buddy of mine ran a modified car there one time them cars where hauling the mail going into turn one,124 mph for modifieds and about 90 or so for cup cars. sorry I still call them cup cars.