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Old 07-12-2009, 01:36 PM
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I believe your on to something there Shine. This isn't the first thread where someone wasn't happy with their finish. Often enough it's the painter not the product.

I'm a strong believer in laying it on wet and let flow. I often scare the hell out of anyone watching because they think it's going to run.

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I've been doing this for almost 40 yrs. started in 1971. Painted alot of cars in my day.Most back when the paint had lead in it. The olds I painted was just a driver so the owner was happy with it I just wasn't. I started a retirement shop out behind my house.My work has to come from word of mouth and if I'am not happy with it I don't feel the customer should be.My name is going on it so it has to be right. The reason we went with nasson was cost and I was told it was as good as Dupont clear.The brand name paints are just way out of line on cost. And its not because they have to charge that much they just know they have us by the short hairs so they do.I asked the paint rep. at work one day how come every time oil goes up paint goes up. But when the price of oil comes down paint does'nt come down. Answer,only goes up not down.I may try spi. clear on the next job I'am doing and see if I get the results I want.

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Old 07-12-2009, 03:52 PM
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cost of materials are high no doubt about it. but the difference in the cost of first line and second line products is minimal compared to a failure. if doing a low cost scuff and shoot it's fine to use them. but know what you are getting and the risk you take . you will not get any warranty relief when using them. warranty is not free . spi is a proven product with a good track record among many high end shops . the few on this board that have a problem with it either have not used it or know very little about paint chemistry or performance. their problem is personal with mr knives who owns and makes it. i have yet to talk to a professional who has used it and does not like it. cost of materials is not considered when doing top shelf work . performance is . if your doing collision work it really does not matter what you use. 2 coats and out the door is all that matters. it is after all a repair . choose your products wisely. to spend months getting a car ready and then use a low end paint is just not worth it. take a few weeks longer and use the good stuff . if a 100 bucks is going to break you then you are in the wrong hobby . many come here with no knowledge and just want sound advise . not some google expert or magazine reader who has little to no experience in the real world of refinishing. i will not call nason junk, it is just a low end product with many problems to overcome . problems a first timers will not know about or what to do. just like cheap equipment. give yourself every advantage you can.
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I remember the old formulas myself. Some times we experienced painters are more critical of our own work than we need to be. I recently buffed a 57 ford that someone else had painted and knew there were going to be problems before I even started. Orange peel the texture of cottage cheese with blends on top of it. Fortunately, I had warned the customer of the difficulty I faced with it. I wasn’t impressed with the shine on this car myself although he was. He has scheduled this with me to redo to correct the body work done previously.
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# 7- I guess 40 years experiance doesn't qualify me for an opnion of a superior product
No it qualifies you fine, but just saying that you did something for 40 years means nothing to the reader here.

If you state WHY the product is inferior, then you shared what you know..THAT is the sole purpose of this forum.

If someone, anyone tells me a product is no good, I want to know why. Your 40 years of experience should make it easy for you to communicate that to us.

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Old 07-12-2009, 08:09 PM
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sometimes I feel like I'm trying to sell a few kinds of products that I've found To be the best bang for the buck,because I say it over and over.I've also been at this a while and its seldom that pros agree on the BEST product or BEST way....or anything for that matter............BUT....when they dooooooooo...............listen.
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Who makes SPI? We have sherwin williams, dupont, PPG here.
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Old 07-13-2009, 07:43 AM
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some loud mouth SOB that dont know sheet about ospho....LOL.just kidding,he does now...SPI is a smaller company located here in Ga. Barry Kives owns it.Its my understanding that he worked for one of those big boys you just mentioned,years ago ...his products are shipped all over the country,now hes shipping to other countries too,this clear is on some of the highest dollar cars at Barret Jacksons,It's hard to believe but its true....100.00 a gal clear on a million dollar car.Call this number ,see who answears the phone 404-307-9740 this is the hotline number all other questions they can answear PS, "da34" nason and omini both have a high solid clear now thats pretty darn good,..."really"...but still...they dont hold a candle to our stuff

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The best looking clear I have ever used was the Nasson clear.
I did a hood full of graphics for my son years ago, and to this day it
has better clarity and gloss than any other clear I've used.
And I've used the other ones mentioned.
The downfall of Nasson clear is that it gets rock hard rather
quickly and makes buffing more difficult, but once done right,
it holds it better than the others.
If yours isn't clear or shiney enough, I bet you have a lot of
super small scratches that still need to be buffed out.
It's not the clear it's the buffing
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Old 07-13-2009, 01:18 PM
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like buffing concrete huh jc . the euro clear from matrix is the same. i did the 56 big window and the 62 vette with it. hard as hell to buff and chipped really bad . the 62 had to be buffed 3 times and the last was a nightmare . while running my van shop they would bring me cases of clears to try . after a while i just passed on it. dupont was the only one who would back up their product .
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Old 07-13-2009, 02:50 PM
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Yes, like concrete
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I just got two free gal of SPI clear because the last quart of a gal dried so fast I couldnt get around the car...the clear was old but the hardner wasn't ...barry sent me a gal of clear and four qts of hardner even though I told him its no problem... I only called to find out about the hardners...I should have used slow not normal... hows that for backing up your product????It wasnt even his fault that may be why us SPI users are so dedicated it is for me anyway
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Old 07-13-2009, 07:52 PM
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I always liked the SPI clear, it's what I have on my own car.
It's almost 3 yrs old now and still looks as good as day 1.
Barry is the reason SPI is doing so well, he takes care of you.
I wish him the best.
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