What is navel jelly I have heard of a couple of references to it for rust removal,but what is it? I'm in Canada so it may be named something else here or probably not available
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And toe jam does as good a job at removing rustonovakind67 said:Navel jelly is a close relative of toe jam...
Out of my experience, there is a time and a place for everything. I've resto'd many cars and in the process, removed rust, removed rusty panels and fabricated new, and I've SEALED and NEUTRALIZED rusty panels, all with great success over the years. The products mentioned above don't just "cover" it up. They chemically react with the rust not unlike gun bluing chemically reacts with gun metal to provide metal protection.oldred said:It is far, FAR! better to remove the rust than to just cover it up! Removing rust is the proper way to do this because if you just cover it up it very well may come back to haunt you and anyway you look at it if you just cover the rust it is still there and you will aways have rusty parts! :nono:
At the risk of starting a flame war here...I will agree with you that removing rust is the best approach and always will be, but as I said, there is a time and a place for everything. I'm sure that your rides are not Riddler contenders, and I'll bet I will find rust on your rides regardless of how diligent you are at removing it. Rust is inevitable...like age. Sometimes you just have to deal with it.oldred said:This has been , and will continue to be, argued both ways but covered up rust is just that covered up! It may be "neutralized", "converted" or "killed", whatever they want to call it, but it is still there and this is nothing more than a band-aid approach. I don't see how anyone can call a repair that leaves rust in place "restored", JMO on that one and others may see it differently but I do not want rust on my car in any form hidden, converted or otherwise and I think few people would disagree that removal is the best way. Even if you do manage to stop the rust from getting worse by using these "cover up" products the rust that was already there is still there and and you will STILL have a rusty car whether you can see the rust or not! This fellow asked about rust removal products which are for the purpose of PERMANENTLY dealing with the rust and will provide for a proper rust free repair and not something that will leave rust there only out of sight.
BTW, ever get a gun barrel wet and forget to dry it? Not very much protection there.
==========================================================Big Dog, Navel jelly is just one of several preparations containing Phosphoric acid to dissolve and remove rust
Complete removing of the rust with a treatment,of your choice,immediatly afterwards is always the best. Yes, rust will find a way but if you do all you can and do it the right way it will take longer to happen.gdubstub said:At the risk of starting a flame war here...I will agree with you that removing rust is the best approach and always will be, but as I said, there is a time and a place for everything. I'm sure that your rides are not Riddler contenders, and I'll bet I will find rust on your rides regardless of how diligent you are at removing it. Rust is inevitable...like age. Sometimes you just have to deal with it.
...and BTW back, I happen to be gun collector too, and bluing is reason your gun doesn't rust in your hand as we are speaking. Why do you think bluing is added to metal in the first place? It isn't for looks...
George
yep,thats it.That thread is THE ONLY thread about naval jelly that counts IMO.Randy is da man! :evil:oldred said:Evil, This the one? To call this an informative article is an understatement, it is excellent info :thumbup:
www.hotrodders.com/forum/secrets-surface-rust-removal-revealed-55679.html?highlight=rust+removal
here we go again........ :evil:scrot said:==========================================================
Like oldred said, It's better to get rid of it one way or another instead of leaving it there. Cut it out, disslove it with phosphoric acid, or sand it out, but get rid of it if at all possible. Rust is called the cancer of steel. If you had a lump of cancer in your body, I bet you would prefer to have it removed rather than let it stay inside you, taking the chance that it will spread in the future.
I've seen the ads saying that it completely "encapsalates" the rust, preventing it from spreading. But what if it isn't completely "encapsalated"?
How does that movie line go?
"What we have here is a failure to communicate?"
In this case, what we have here is a pocket of rust in hibernation waiting to explode thru your paint.
FYI hydrochloric acid can be used also, and it seems to be quicker.
Check this thread out:rust remover :welcome: